Terry Bradshaw ranked Dalton ahead of Cam...

[Fox007]

If we had the Bengals Defense and STs we would be undefeated for real.

[Dpantherman]

Ugh, I need to let this go, its common sense. Flawed logic is just aggravating.

[Dpantherman]

If we had the Bengals Defense and STs we would be undefeated for real.

Wouldn't go that far, but we'd have a better record. One of the better rushing defenses in the NFL

[mav1234]

U're not being totally honest...The Panthers offense is not as consistant as the Bengals. Andy has people he can turn to week in and out. Cam has about three vets around him who are very good but it's clear the coaches are pushing him to give the ball more to receivers who aren't very consistant.

Disagree, completely.

Our offense is better. We are scoring more points (not by many, but we are), but in addition to that our running backs are better (and our production shows it), our receivers are overall better (though in time theres could be), and our TEs are better.

To say Cam has no-one on offense he can turn to is ridiculous. Not only do we have a top 10 rushing offense, we have one of the top receivers in the game and two of the better tight ends. While our OC may be forcing him to try to win games instead of leaning on others, our offense is better than the Bengals, period... even with Chud's stupid moves.

The difference is that the Bengals defense and special teams are helping the offense win games. In our case, it feels like the offense has to make up for mistakes the def/st make... but that's not just Cam, because he does have support. But our offense can't do it alone.

[Fox007]

Wouldn't go that far, but we'd have a better record. One of the better rushing defenses in the NFL

Who beats us if we stop the run?

GB?

[mav1234]

Who beats us if we stop the run?

GB?

GB still could, and maybe NO... game changes considerably obviously depending on how the defenses play.

I could see us being 5-2 easy, and maybe 6-1. But I think we'd have lost one. Still, unimportant since we can't magically gain the bengals D/STs =|

[Dpantherman]

Who beats us if we stop the run?

GB?

hmm. Yes. And we allowed 300+ to Kevin Kolb in the opener, might have still lost that one.

[Fox007]

GB still could, and maybe NO... game changes considerably obviously depending on how the defenses play.

I could see us being 5-2 easy, and maybe 6-1. But I think we'd have lost one. Still, unimportant since we can't magically gain the bengals D/STs =|

No I don't care about that the main point is that Cam is way better than Dalton, Dalton just has a better team all around ATM.

[mav1234]

hmm. Yes. And we allowed 300+ to Kevin Kolb in the opener, might have still lost that one.

we did, but Bengals ST doesn't give Peterson that punt return TD imho.

No I don't care about that the main point is that Cam is way better than Dalton, Dalton just has a better team all around ATM.

overall I agree with you, tho I think our offense is better than theirs... just wish our defense/special teams was even close to them, blech!

[Fox007]

we did, but Bengals ST doesn't give Peterson that punt return TD imho.

overall I agree with you, tho I think our offense is better than theirs... just wish our defense/special teams was even close to them, blech!

I keep joking that we should just go for every 4th down and kick onside kicks after every score. :cornut:

[stirs]

Panthers have better weapons at TE, RB and WR than Cincy. Dalton is the one who needs more help.

[Swarly]

who fuging cares

you guys are letting people who aren't even Panther fans troll the shiit out of you comparing Dalton to Cam

honestly, who cares about the Bengals? literally nothing they do will impact us or Cam this year. let the dipshiits who hate Cam yet continue to post on our forum waste their time and ignore them.

[TheOracle]

Because Bradshaw is a surface-level thinker. Dalton is 5-2 (because of EXPERIENCED COACHING & A GOOD DEFENSE) and Cam Newton is 2-6 (because of INEXPERIENCED COACHING & A TERRIBLE DEFENSE).

Bradshaw is incapable of including those other factors in his thinking because it would require more than just REACTING to what he sees on the surface, so he concludes that Dalton "must be" better because his record is "better", instead of understanding that most of the games the Panthers lost is because of bad play-calling in the redzone (Chudzinski) or the defense giving up 30 or more when the Panthers scored enough to win.

[mc52beast]

Maybe because he is 5-2 and Cam is 2-5