Terry Bradshaw ranked Dalton ahead of Cam...

[Camdemonium]

Rookie Records =/= team improvement =/= wins

[bigcatdaddy]

Cams two fumbles lost that game plan and simple.

His two fumbles did not lose the game, our defense giving up 24 points and some questionable calls by the officials are what lost us the game. The kid completed 63% of his passes and threw for 290 yards and 3 TD's plus he ran for 53 yards. it's not a Qb's fault if his left tackle(Jordan Gross) gets beat and he is hit from the blind side while trying to release the ball. But leave it you to find some way to lay the blame on Cam. :out:

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

His two fumbles did not lose the game, our defense giving up 24 points and some questionable calls by the officials are what lost us the game. The kid completed 63% of his passes and threw for 290 yards and 3 TD's plus he ran for 53 yards. it's not a Qb's fault if his left tackle(Jordan Gross) gets beat and he is hit from the blind side while trying to release the ball. But leave it you to find some way to lay the blame on Cam. :out:

You should make a pact with yourself to never attempt a sane debate with someone who considers "wins" a QB statistic.

[GritsRgreat]

Vikings scored Two touchdowns off those fumbles. 14 dam points. The one just before halftime was the killer.

[Dpantherman]

Yep, and Cam missed all those tackles and gave up the yards so they could make it into the endzone as well.

[Camdemonium]

Come on, hold him a little bit accountable. Everyone blamed the fumbles on the white quarterbacks when they were here. It's racist if you don't blame the fumbles on Cam.

[necroplasm]

Well, he was trying to get the ball off. Not like he was assing around out there. Both times the ball came out as he was going to throw. The way I see it, that falls on protection....

Vikings know how to pass rush.

[Dpantherman]

Come on, hold him a little bit accountable. Everyone blamed the fumbles on the white quarterbacks when they were here. It's racist if you don't blame the fumbles on Cam.

I would have if he weren't in the pocket trying to make a pass. Those happen. Happened to Tom Brady, can't see guys coming unblocked from the blind side.

Had he been running around careless and got stripped, 100% on him. (and its happened, he just recovered or it went out of bounds)

[Camdemonium]

So if he wasn't going to throw yet because it was still too early in the play, that wouldn't be on protection? If it's too late, is that on protection or should he throw it away before then? Shouldn't he feel that guy with that great pocket presence and all?

These are some things that, we'll say previous, QBs were accused of and blamed for.

#NewPantherFans

[Camdemonium]

I would have if he weren't in the pocket trying to make a pass. Those happen. Happened to Tom Brady, can't see guys coming unblocked from the blind side.

Had he been running around careless and got stripped, 100% on him. (and its happened, he just recovered or it went out of bounds)

I just don't buy it. I've watched blame get placed on the QB every time for fumbles on this board, now all of the sudden it's the line.

Not saying I disagree, just making notes of the reactions to different QBs is all.

[Pantherball]

His two fumbles did not lose the game, our defense giving up 24 points and some questionable calls by the officials are what lost us the game. The kid completed 63% of his passes and threw for 290 yards and 3 TD's plus he ran for 53 yards. it's not a Qb's fault if his left tackle(Jordan Gross) gets beat and he is hit from the blind side while trying to release the ball. But leave it you to find some way to lay the blame on Cam. :out:

How many points did he get in the 4th quarter yesterday when the game was tied or we were down by 3? How many of the defense's 24 points were because of fumbles? How many points did the defense give up in the 4th quarter when the game was on the line: 3?

Points given up in the first 3 quarters by the defense: 21(14 on lost fumbles by Cam)

Points given up in the 4th quarter: 3

Points by Cam in the first 3 quarters: 21

Points he got in the 4th quarter: 0

Number of points given up by the defense when an opponent had to drive down the field in the first 3 quarters: 7

Number of points given up by the defense when an opponent had to drive down the field in the 4th quarter: 3

Number of fumbles won by our D: 1. led to: 0 points and another fumble by Cam.

Number of points that resulted from our opponents scoring on our D because of fumbles by Cam: 14

Who is stepping up in the 4th quarter? And who is dropping the ball? And he almost slips up and tries to say that we don't have a good D?

He's about to lose the fuging team. One more press conference like that will do it. We're on the verge of a meltdown and if Rivera doesn't step in and takes the rains, things are about to seriously fall apart.

[bigcatdaddy]

Vikings scored Two touchdowns off those fumbles. 14 dam points. The one just before halftime was the killer.

Yes and Cam scored 21 points and 21>14! I agree the one before the half was a killer but those things are going to happen and it happend at midfield so your defense gets a chance to at least hold them to a field goal and they couldn't.

[Dpantherman]

Now that we've distinctions the new/old fans from each. I want to get a few things out.

- It is impossible to blame 1 person for yesterday's loss. I know some of us don't like that, but winning and losing is a team effort.

- I can't fully blame Cam (and I will not) for getting hit on the blind side and losing the ball. Give him some blame? sure why not. While we're at it, he missed some throws yesterday as well.

But what is most aggravating is, while I'm willing to give Cam some blame, why can't we give some to the defense for giving up points? It is possible to have the ball turned over and hold teams to field goals and not touchdowns. I mean even when we score what is preventing the Defense stopping the opposing offense? It sure isn't Cam.

[Dpantherman]

I just don't buy it. I've watched blame get placed on the QB every time for fumbles on this board, now all of the sudden it's the line.

Not saying I disagree, just making notes of the reactions to different QBs is all.

Well see, I don't have anything to do with posters on this board. They range from A-Z, Smart/Dumb/In between. All of that. And I'm not fickle, If I have been point it out and I'll accept it.