Cam Newton Erases All Doubt

[Easyt65]

'Erases all doubt' about WHAT?

He's a rookie QB, we've won HOW MANY GAMES, how many titles under Cam so far...?

He is playing better than expected so far - kudos. That has translated into how many victories?

Not comparing the 2 completely, but Delhomme shined his 1st season and $ucked the 2nd...the jury is still out on Cam. I have great hope/expectations for him, but to date he hasn't accomplished anything yet.

[Pantherball]

So you watch those games we lost and go "Well he just panicked and choked on those 4th quarter drives." because I don't. I watch them and go, wow, if he can figure out the red zone then he'll be able to put up touchdowns instead of field goals and win most games. Most young quarterbacks struggle down there. A lot of the plays we call down there are things like quarterback draws anyway. Not exactly stuff where he is missing reads out of panic. They mostly come down to what gaps did the defense blitz.

Besides it's laughable to think that someone with one game winning drive his rookie year is still a big question mark and someone with two has put to rest all doubts. Joey Harrington lead 3 game winning drives in his rookie season, so he must be even more clutch than the great Andy Dalton.

Who said Dalton erased all doubt? You seem to be under the impression that I think Dalton's some elite QB. I don't. I'm saying the fact that even Dalton's done this, doesn't excuse Newton from doing the same on account of him being a rookie or too young. Since Cam hasn't even accomplished this, you can't tell me he's erased all doubt.

It has less to do with red-zone as it has to do with 4th quarter, game winning pressure. We only made it to the red-zone with a chance to win during the first two losses and there was some obvious panic there. The rest of our losses we either didn't make it, or it was garbage time after the game was already lost.

I'm talking about things like running out of bounds for a loss instead of being aware enough to throw the ball away to maintain field position. Rushing throws in general instead of speeding up the huddle pre-snap. And yeah...especially on the screen plays....it makes me cringe every time I see a complete pass behind the line of scrimmage or very short, in long down situations, when there are better options, with the game on the line where you know there's no chance of that receiver getting to the first down marker. That's the time where you have to be aware enough to forget the screen when it's busted and take a chance or tuck and run because you're not going to get another chance. The pic against Atlanta was a rushed, underthrown screen pass behind his receiver. Even if it didn't get picked off it would have never been caught. In the first game, he dumped it off safe to Goodson who was short and missed a couple of open guys, after he overthrew Naanee and Shockey earlier. Against GB he ran out of bounds with the ball and took a loss in a critical situation then tucked and ran short on the next play. Against the Bears it was the worst offensive showing of the year in the 4th quarter. By far the biggest 4th quarter choke. And against the Saints.........

1st and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass deep left to S.Smith to CAR 39 for 19 yards (M.Jenkins).

Timeout #1 by CAR at 00:42.

1st and 10 at CAR 39 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short middle to L.Naanee [J.Casillas].

2nd and 10 at CAR 39 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass deep right to L.Naanee to NO 45 for 16 yards (R.Harper). The Replay Assistant challenged the incomplete pass ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep right to L.Naanee.

3rd and 10 at CAR 39 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short left to L.Naanee (T.Porter).

4th and 10 at CAR 39 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep right to G.Olsen. PENALTY on NO-R.Harper, Defensive Pass Interference, 12 yards, enforced at CAR 39 - No Play.

1st and 10 at NO 49 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short right to L.Naanee. PENALTY on CAR-J.Gross, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NO 49 - No Play.

1st and 20 at CAR 41 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete short left to G.Olsen (R.Harper).

2nd and 20 at CAR 41 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short right to L.Naanee ran ob at CAR 49 for 8 yards.

Timeout #2 by CAR at 00:05.

Timeout #2 by NO at 00:05.

3rd and 12 at CAR 49 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep right to S.Smith.

End of Game

Yeah....that's just ugly and a pretty obvious, total breakdown. Crunch those numbers and dial up that QB rating for me. If he played the rest of the game like this, we'd all be screaming for Clausen to start. All of this has to do with 4th quarter, end of game, pressure. Personally I would call that a choke.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Who said Dalton erased all doubt? You seem to be under the impression that I think Dalton's some elite QB. I don't. I'm saying the fact that even Dalton's done this, doesn't excuse Newton from doing the same on account of him being a rookie or too young. Since Cam hasn't even accomplished this, you can't tell me he's erased all doubt.

It has less to do with red-zone as it has to do with 4th quarter, game winning pressure. We only made it to the red-zone with a chance to win during the first two losses and there was some obvious panic there. The rest of our losses we either didn't make it, or it was garbage time after the game was already lost.

I'm talking about things like running out of bounds for a loss instead of being aware enough to throw the ball away to maintain field position. Rushing throws in general instead of speeding up the huddle pre-snap. And yeah...especially on the screen plays....it makes me cringe every time I see a complete pass behind the line of scrimmage or very short, in long down situations, when there are better options, with the game on the line where you know there's no chance of that receiver getting to the first down marker. That's the time where you have to be aware enough to forget the screen when it's busted and take a chance or tuck and run because you're not going to get another chance. The pic against Atlanta was a rushed, underthrown screen pass behind his receiver. Even if it didn't get picked off it would have never been caught. In the first game, he dumped it off safe to Goodson who was short and missed a couple of open guys, after he overthrew Naanee and Shockey earlier. Against GB he ran out of bounds with the ball and took a loss in a critical situation then tucked and ran short on the next play. Against the Bears it was the worst offensive showing of the year in the 4th quarter. By far the biggest 4th quarter choke. And against the Saints.........

Yeah....that's just ugly and a pretty obvious, total breakdown. Crunch those numbers and dial up that QB rating for me. If he played the rest of the game like this, we'd all be screaming for Clausen to start. All of this has to do with 4th quarter, end of game, pressure. Personally I would call that a choke.

Haha, do you even watch or remember the games? That was the last drive of the game with 40 seconds left after the defense had given up the lead that Cam got in the fourth quarter. How many quarterbacks can rush downfield with 40 seconds? It's pretty easy to defend.

The Cardinals game ended in the red zone, the panthers last meaningful possession of the the GB game ended in the red zone, he won the Jacksonville game in the fourth quarter, the New Orleans game he got a lead in the fourth quarter.

The only reason Dalton has 2 game winning drives is that he got down to inferior teams. Let him play Chicago, Greenbay, Atlanta, NO, and Washington instead of cupcakes like Buffalo, Cleveland, Denver, and Indy.

[Pantherball]

Haha, do you even watch or remember the games? That was the last drive of the game with 40 seconds left after the defense had given up the lead that Cam got in the fourth quarter. How many quarterbacks can rush downfield with 40 seconds? It's pretty easy to defend.

The Cardinals game ended in the red zone, the panthers last meaningful possession of the the GB game ended in the red zone, he won the Jacksonville game in the fourth quarter, the New Orleans game he got a lead in the fourth quarter.

The only reason Dalton has 2 game winning drives is that he got down to inferior teams. Let him play Chicago, Greenbay, Atlanta, NO, and Washington instead of cupcakes like Buffalo, Cleveland, Denver, and Indy.

Your arguments so far has led me to think of this song....

Guess you forgot the drive before that when we were up by 3 and blew it on the 3rd and 2 call when we could have put the game away...

How about this then...

Bears 4th quarter: 24-23 Bears

14:55 - Bears get intercepted by our defense at their own 29 yard line.

14:07 - Carolina takes over at Bears 29 yard line - missed FG.

13:23 - Bears next drive. D holds them to 3. 27-23 Bears.

6:41 - Carolina 3 and out.

5:05 - Bears 3 and out. Our D stepped up again.

3:18 -Carolina 3 and out. It was our offense's last real chance to do something:

1st and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep right to G.Olsen.

2nd and 10 at CAR 20 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass deep right to G.Olsen to CAR 43 for 23 yards (M.Wright).

1st and 10 at CAR 43 (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep left to L.Naanee (T.Jennings).

2nd and 10 at CAR 43 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass short right to J.Stewart to CAR 41 for -2 yards (L.Briggs; A.Okoye).

3rd and 12 at CAR 41 (Shotgun) C.Newton left end pushed ob at CAR 43 for 2 yards (J.Peppers). CHI-C.Tillman was injured during the play.

4th and 10 at CAR 43 (Shotgun) C.Newton pass incomplete deep right to L.Naanee.

This was the defense too? That wasn't a choke either?

The Bears got the ball back with 1:48 and this is where they scored another TD. But the game was lost way before this. They didn't need a TD. Then when the game's out of reach our O scores a symbolic TD.

And who cares where they chocked? Red zone or middle of the field. A choke is a choke. Plenty of opportunities in all of those games.

[Pantherball]

Just to recap that 4th quarter.

The D:

-Got us a pick at the 29 yard line of our opponent to start the quarter.

-Held the Bears to 3 points on the next drive and kept the game within 4.

-Got us a three and out on the next drive.

The O:

-failed to score when starting at our opponent's 29 yard line. Put themselves in worse FG position. So they lost yards.

-failed to score on the next 2 positions while the game was still up for grabs

-could only score after the game was lost by 2 scores.

I would call that a pretty much perfect 4th quarter from a defense and another total breakdown and choke by our O.

Keep strumming that "drop D tuning" though ;)

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Don't invoke a good band like Nirvana to defend your crappy argument. They are above this.

Yeah, he and Smitty missed a deep route on third and two. Masterfully unclutch. The loss of that game is solely on Cam and his inability to get a touchdown with 40 seconds.

No the Bears game wasn't a "choke" game by Cam. The whole team including Cam played pretty badly with penalties, missed field goals, and kicking to Hester. It doesn't mean "OMG CAM CAN'T GET IT DONE BECAUSE HE KEEPS CHOKING"

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Just to recap that 4th quarter.

The D:

-Got us a pick at the 29 yard line of our opponent to start the quarter.

-Held the Bears to 3 points on the next drive and kept the game within 4.

-Got us a three and out on the next drive.

The O:

-failed to score when starting at our opponent's 29 yard line. Put themselves in worse FG position. So they lost yards.

-failed to score on the next 2 positions while the game was still up for grabs

-could only score after the game was lost by 2 scores.

I would call that a pretty much perfect 4th quarter from a defense and another total breakdown and choke by our O.

Keep strumming that "drop D tuning" though ;)

Haha alright you got it man. The Bears game proves that Cam's balls totally drop off, and he losses all ability to play in the fourth quarter. He's a choke artist plain and simple and will be forever.

[Pantherball]

I'm going to stop arguing with you because somehow I had a feeling you'd actually like Nirvana.

Need to borrow a razor for those wrists?

[Stroupe-a-loop]

I'm going to stop arguing with you because somehow I had a feeling you'd actually like Nirvana.

Need to borrow a razor for those wrists?

And he caps off a terrible series of arguments with a terrible joke. Kudos on consistency.

[Pantherball]

Yeah a "terrible" series of arguments backed up by actual facts that you have no answer for other than deflect, spin and refuse to acknowledge.

How else are you supposed to top it off other than with a drag of a song by the most depressive band in history? Just like our O's performance during those examples.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Yeah a "terrible" series of arguments backed up by actual facts that you have no answer for other than deflect, spin and refuse to acknowledge.

How else are you supposed to top it off other than with a drag of a song by the most depressive band in history? Just like our O's performance during those examples.

Alright, so to review your arguments:

*Cam is unclutch because he hasn't had a game winning drive, except for that one against the Jaguars which doesn't count because . . . underpants or something.

*Dalton's more clutch because he had a comeback against a bad Bills team and that same Jaguars team (except his counts).

*Newton's red zone struggles don't matter even though two games basically ended there, nevermind (Nirvana reference) all the field goals we had to settle for at other times, and all that matters is his choking in the Chicago game.

*His good fourth quarter against the Redskins shouldn't even be brought up because that would make too much sense

*You think Nirvana is the most depressing band in history because you are either a thousand years old or you listen to the worst goddamn bands in the world like Hinder, Nickelback, and Daughtry. Possibly both.

Nope, I apologize. You have done your kind proud.

[Camdemonium]

A bad Bills team?

[Stroupe-a-loop]

A bad Bills team?

You riding with that defense?

[Camdemonium]

They force turnovers like it's nobody's business. Saints rode that all the way to the Superbowl.

#IfitdoesntsupportCamitsucks