Cam Newton Erases All Doubt

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nobody's making excuses but your logic is seriously warped. say whatever you want about Cam Newton but to act like this is some measurable statistic that Andy Dalton has already conquered is ridiculous. for all you or anyone else knows, he might not have another 4th quarter comeback in his entire career but according to you, he's already proven himself to be the next Joe Montana or John Elway.

speaking of which, The Golden Calf of Bristol already has as many 14 point 4th quarter comebacks in his career as Elway had in over 200 starts. by your twisted logic, The Golden Calf of Bristol>Elway.

[X-Clown]

Pantherball.....

Please. Stop. Posting.

[mav1234]

I just hope Jerry Richardson doesnt "Dan Gilbert" Cam and start acting like and talking to Cam like he's his personal slave that owes him servitude even when he's not under contract. It'll ruin his image and this team like Gilbert ruined the Cavs. Richardson doesnt strike me as a Gilbert, someone who just wants to milk his golden goose for all its worth rather than field competitive teams. I think Jerry will surround Cam with the talent that'll make it easy for him to stay. Cam could transcend his sport the way LeBron has his if maintains his will to be great like a LeBron. He's that special an athlete.

uhh what? Gilbert isn't why James left... he left because he wanted to play with both Wade and Bosh and he could only play with one of them in Cleveland, so... After James did the decision poo gilbert went crazy but that's not why he left in the first place.

Refusing to trade JJ Hickson for Amare Stoudemire then ultimately trading him the next year for Caspi in Sac tells me all I need to know about how good the Cavs front office is. Hell, drafting Tyree #1 overall says a lot too. LOL.

the problem with this line of thinking is that there were some people close to the Cavs that believed it was James that actually veteo'd that trade because he thought the team would be better with Hickson + Jamison rather than Stoudemire, due to chemistry concerns with Shaq. The Cavs biggest problem in the time they had James was allowing him to act too much as a psuedo member of the front office...

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Yeah it does. Stop making excuses. Cam and the offense had an opportunity to put it away or go for the lead every game we lost and we didn't.

Don't ignore the importance of your QB play, leadership and offense, especially when it comes to 2 minute drills. This is vital to winning in the NFL and you know it.

Alright so if I understand your point, Dalton gets a game winning drive against one of the worst defenses in the league and his clutch-ness will never be questioned again. Cam leads a game winning drive against a top ten defense after weathering (PUN!) terrible conditions all game in addition to being a superior quarterback at all times, and we should question whether he can get it done. Ever.

Cool. I think I got it.

[Pantherball]

Alright so if I understand your point, Dalton gets a game winning drive against one of the worst defenses in the league and his clutch-ness will never be questioned again. Cam leads a game winning drive against a top ten defense after weathering (PUN!) terrible conditions all game in addition to being a superior quarterback at all times, and we should question whether he can get it done. Ever.

Cool. I think I got it.

This is just you showing you only know enough about one of the two and not really paying attention. I said it earlier, but I told you Dalton also did it against the Jaguars.

Jacksonville was up 20-16 against Dalton with 5 minutes left to play. He came back and won that game too. He's had 2, 4th quarter comebacks, Jaguars and Bills, and I'm pretty sure a winning team, poor defense or not, means more than a losing team. Nobody would say beating Jacksonville is any kind of accomplishment compared to the Bills but as I just explained Dalton also did this. But Dalton's win against the Bills were far more impressive because they were undefeated at the time, the Bengals were coming off of back to back losses, and Dalton already had thrown 2 pics in that game prior to him pulling it off at the very end.

But yeah, the Jaguars game was up for grabs due to the weather conditions and the drive Cam scored on started at the 45 yard line. If that 4th quarter comeback satisfies you and your confidence in Cam to win in the 4th quarter, then you have very low standards and you're probably one of those people that have no issue in putting Cam and Brady/Brees/Rodgers in the same sentence. Unfortunately the 5 losses under ideal weather conditions against defenses that certainly didn't prevent him from scoring the other 3 quarters, leaves a lot of questions for me. He didn't get it done and defenses had less to do with it as did the pressure of winning late in the game did. It was the pressure that got to him and this offense.

So the way I see it, Cam hasn't done it.

[Pantherball]

nobody's making excuses but your logic is seriously warped. say whatever you want about Cam Newton but to act like this is some measurable statistic that Andy Dalton has already conquered is ridiculous. for all you or anyone else knows, he might not have another 4th quarter comeback in his entire career but according to you, he's already proven himself to be the next Joe Montana or John Elway.

speaking of which, The Golden Calf of Bristol already has as many 14 point 4th quarter comebacks in his career as Elway had in over 200 starts. by your twisted logic, The Golden Calf of Bristol>Elway.

Dude nobody's saying anything about Dalton being the next Joe Montana. I'm saying Cam simply hasn't done this. People were using the rookie excuse to try and defend him.

I just pointed out Dalton's also a rookie, and as I just said above he's done it twice, not once, both times in very convincing fashion and against a winning team. So he's at no risk from never doing it again, because he went right back and did it again against Jacksonville the very next week on the road.

Too many people love to compare Cam favorably against other players without knowing poo about the other players.

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forget the Jaguars. why doesn't last week's game count for anything? the Redskins were a top 5 defense coming into the game and the Panthers owned the 4th quarter on both sides of the ball. let me guess, home games don't count and the Panthers have to be trailing in the 4th quarter for a win to mean anything?

[Pantherball]

forget the Jaguars. why doesn't last week's game count for anything? the Redskins were a top 5 defense coming into the game and the Panthers owned the 4th quarter on both sides of the ball. let me guess, home games don't count and the Panthers have to be trailing in the 4th quarter for a win to mean anything?

Because the discussion was about 4th quarter comeback wins. Yes they are viewed differently by anyone that knows anything about football. There's an entire statistic dedicated to tracking this when it comes to QB's and it's a very important one.

So once again, before anyone can say Newton erases all doubts, which is what this thread was about, he needs to erase this doubt and a few others, including winning over top teams, winning divisional games, at home and on the road, winning when it's season altering, like the game against the Saints which would have put us at .500, and just winning when the pressure's at its highest in general.

Cam hasn't done any of these very important things yet.

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a win is a win and it takes more than a QB to get one. what if the Panthers win the next 9 games and never trail in the 4th quarter?

in your opinion, should the Panthers have taken Andy Dalton with the #1 pick? it sure sounds like it.

[Pantherball]

a win is a win and it takes more than a QB to get one. what if the Panthers win the next 9 games and never trail in the 4th quarter?

in your opinion, should the Panthers have taken Andy Dalton with the #1 pick? it sure sounds like it.

Why even get into a conversation you have no intention of keeping up with and then turn it into something retarded like that last comment?

To answer your other question, not only is it highly unlikely because 5 out of the 7 games we played we were tied or behind in the 4th quarter but he'd still have to do this sooner or later to prove he's a clutch QB. You can't be elite or one of the top QB's without being able to pull off clutch comeback wins when the pressure is on. It would be great to win every game this season in the fashion you described but don't bank on it.

[DRubi15]

Who is the only team that would have taken him in the top 5? Us.

Who went down to his home and get to really know him before judging him? Us.

Who wasted no time announcing he was our pick? Us.

Who completely adjusted the offense for him? Us.

Who's made him comfortable in every way possible? Us.

Who asked him if he wanted to be a Panther? Us.

Stop fuging worrying.

Yes someone else on the huddle has some common sense!

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i'm on topic, Einstein(Pantherball). you're the one that brought Andy Dalton and 4th quarter comebacks into the thread.

[DRubi15]

Andy Dalton's team also isn't ranked 31st in run D. Takes some pressure off when your D can make plays.

[Pantherball]

Andy Dalton's team also isn't ranked 31st in run D. Takes some pressure off when your D can make plays.

That's nice but the D wasn't on the field during those winning 4th quarter drives. It was the offense. They were both in the same situations: in the 4th quarter with the ball and a chance to comeback and win or tie. Has nothing to do with D. It has everything to do with your O successfully marching down the field and getting the win.

No way around it unless you pray for a safety or a number of safeties.