Cam Newton Erases All Doubt

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Well the thread title is wrong, wherever that may originate from. He still has to prove he can win 4th quarter comebacks from behind and do it in a consistent fashion. So far it's been his achilles heel, and that's one you definitely don't want as a QB as your achilles heel.

What? He won the Jags game in the 4th, and he won the Saints game in the 4th; the defense lost that one.

He's a choke artist because he can't engineer a come from behind victory in each of his first six starts? Most quarterbacks can't complete passes in their first six starts. It's just silly to have this criticism right now. People are watching way too much Skip Bayless or something.

[carolinarolls]

the threads talking about being scared he will leave disgust me. There are so many Gotdamn whiners in here who constantly makes up sh-t to whine about its pathetic.

[Pantherball]

What? He won the Jags game in the 4th, and he won the Saints game in the 4th; the defense lost that one.

He's a choke artist because he can't engineer a come from behind victory in each of his first six starts? Most quarterbacks can't complete passes in their first six starts. It's just silly to have this criticism right now. People are watching way too much Skip Bayless or something.

Maybe if you'd read all the way to the bottom...

PS: And it's not silly because it's the primary reason we lost 5 games and it's also going to be the key to winning at least 3-4 for the remainder of this year. If he doesn't learn how to do this as soon as-yesterday-we don't even get close to .500 this season. But yeah as far as the thread title....it's definitely wrong because you can't possibly erase all doubt until that happens. Erasing this doubt is the most vital of all and he hasn't done it yet.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Maybe if you'd read all the way to the bottom...

I did. It doesn't matter at all. Aaron Rodgers was 1-7 in one possession games his first year. He's a pretty reliable quarterback.

http://www.nfl.com/player/aaronrodgers/2506363/gamelogs?season=2008

Cam's not learning to be "clutch"; he's learning to score in the redzone which takes all great quarterbacks time.

[Pantherball]

I did. It doesn't matter at all. Aaron Rodgers was 1-7 in one possession games his first year. He's a pretty reliable quarterback.

http://www.nfl.com/player/aaronrodgers/2506363/gamelogs?season=2008

Cam's not learning to be "clutch"; he's learning to score in the redzone which takes all great quarterbacks time.

And that's great. But again....erases all doubt is wrong. I have to see that. That's a HUGE aspect. Aaron erased it. Cam still has to do that. Andy Dalton's already erased that doubt half way through the season. This is the only category Cam's behind in, and it's an important one.

Whatever happened up to this point is in the past, but from here on out, he needs to be batting .500 in those situations. The longer he goes without overcoming this monkey, the bigger an issue it becomes. The sooner he does it, the sooner we can move on to the next hurdle: winning hard divisional games, at home and on the road. Winning the BIG game, which has season altering implications. So far that's been a miss. Winning a playoff game.

Those are still very important benchmarks to overcome before anyone can make a statement like Cam erases all doubt.

[N1kkadeemuz]

this thread had potential...then the 2nd post happened.

figures....

Unlike 90% of what the huddle has become topic wise, its still a valid point. His ability to erase all doubts propels him into the figurehead of this franchise. He has energized a fan base, just like Lebron. Point being, just hoping that everything works out for the best...its not like Cam's gonna Kerry Collins us.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Cam still has to do that. Andy Dalton's already erased that doubt half way through the season. This is the only category Cam's behind in, and it's an important one.

I think the only doubt Dalton's erased is his ability to get the ball to AJ Green. He has one of the best defenses in the NFL and an offense built around the run. He hasn't proven he can do anything better than Cam at quarterback.

Cam will be judged as a primetime performer when we can get a defense that doesn't give the lead back as soon as we get it. I don't think any reasonable person is looking at that as a criticism right now.

[Pantherball]

I think the only doubt Dalton's erased is his ability to get the ball to AJ Green. He has one of the best defenses in the NFL and an offense built around the run. He hasn't proven he can do anything better than Cam at quarterback.

Cam will be judged as a primetime performer when we can get a defense that doesn't give the lead back as soon as we get it. I don't think any reasonable person is looking at that as a criticism right now.

This is the part where you reveal you don't know what you're talking about and are letting your bias for Cam color your view of reality. That's no different than Cam favoring Smith but Andy's also had plenty of passing attempts. Nobody's comparing skill sets, but the point is Andy's finished and put away more games in the 4th quarter than Cam and he's had a comeback victory in the 4th quarter, not just against teams like the Jags, but against one of the best teams in the NFL, the Buffalo Bills after throwing interceptions in that game.

They were down 20-13 with 8 minutes left to play. Marched the Bengals right down the field 80 yards, and finished it up with him running it in for a TD to tie the game.....THEN did it again and marched his team from his 19 yard line all the way to Buffalo 25 where he put his team in a position to win by 3.

All that was in week 4 after coming off of two back to back losses, and throwing 2 interceptions earlier in the game. Oh and the Bills were 3-0 so they dealt them their first loss of the season.

THAT's erasing doubt. THAT's overcoming mistakes. That's dealing with adversity. That's more impressive to me and more meaningful than any stat or play Cam has put up this year. That's what I'm still waiting to see from Cam.

That's what it's going to take before you can even talk about erasing doubt.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

This is the part where you reveal you don't know what you're talking about and are letting your bias for Cam color your view of reality. That's no different than Cam favoring Smith but Andy's also had plenty of passing attempts. Nobody's comparing skill sets, but the point is Andy's finished and put away more games in the 4th quarter than Cam and he's had a comeback victory in the 4th quarter, not just against teams like the Jags, but against one of the best teams in the NFL, the Buffalo Bills after throwing interceptions in that game.

They were down 20-13 with 8 minutes left to play. Marched the Bengals right down the field 80 yards, and finished it up with him running it in for a TD to tie the game.....THEN did it again and marched his team from his 19 yard line all the way to Buffalo 25 where he put his team in a position to win by 3.

All that was in week 4 after coming off of two back to back losses, and throwing 2 interceptions earlier in the game. Oh and the Bills were 3-0 so they dealt them their first loss of the season.

THAT's erasing doubt. THAT's overcoming mistakes. That's dealing with adversity. That's more impressive to me and more meaningful than any stat or play Cam has put up this year. That's what I'm still waiting to see from Cam.

That's what it's going to take before you can even talk about erasing doubt.

That's it. Your example is scoring on the vaunted Bills defense? Maybe you should go back and edit this post 20 more times to try and fit a good point in there.

[Pantherball]

That's it. Your example is scoring on the vaunted Bills defense? Maybe you should go back and edit this post 20 more times to try and fit a good point in there.

Nice excuse. Nothing needs to be edited. It's prefect as I wrote it and a perfect example of what Cam needs to do.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Nice excuse. Nothing needs to be edited. It's prefect as I wrote it and a perfect example of what Cam needs to do.

I'm guessing you're also crazy about The Golden Calf of Bristol and whatnot. That's totes fine, but we are clearly coming from two completely different places.

[Pantherball]

I'm guessing you're also crazy about The Golden Calf of Bristol and whatnot. That's totes fine, but we are clearly coming from two completely different places.

Yeah I'm talking actual real life comparisons and you're talking bias. Bw here's Andy's final 2 drives in that game just so you know now.

Score 23-17 for Buffalo, 8:28 left to play:

1st and 10 at CIN 20 C.Benson right tackle to CIN 26 for 6 yards (G.Wilson).

2nd and 4 at CIN 26 A.Dalton pass deep right to J.Gresham ran ob at BUF 49 for 25 yards (J.Byrd).

1st and 10 at BUF 49 C.Benson right tackle pushed ob at BUF 35 for 14 yards (G.Wilson).

1st and 10 at BUF 35 C.Benson left tackle to BUF 33 for 2 yards (D.Edwards; N.Barnett).

2nd and 8 at BUF 33 A.Dalton pass incomplete deep middle to A.Green (L.McKelvin).

3rd and 8 at BUF 33 (Shotgun) A.Dalton pass short right to J.Gresham to BUF 16 for 17 yards (G.Wilson).

1st and 10 at BUF 16 C.Benson left tackle to BUF 11 for 5 yards (A.Davis).

2nd and 5 at BUF 11 (Shotgun) A.Dalton pass short left to A.Caldwell to BUF 3 for 8 yards (J.Byrd).

1st and 3 at BUF 3 A.Dalton pass incomplete short left to A.Green.

2nd and 3 at BUF 3 (Shotgun) A.Dalton up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 20 19

M.Nugent extra point is GOOD, Center-C.Harris, Holder-K.Huber. 20 20

M.Nugent kicks 65 yards from CIN 35 to end zone, Touchback.

And with 1:48 left to play:

1st and 10 at CIN 19 (Shotgun) A.Dalton pass short middle to J.Simpson to CIN 36 for 17 yards (G.Wilson; J.Byrd).

1st and 10 at CIN 36 (Shotgun) B.Leonard right tackle to CIN 43 for 7 yards (N.Barnett).

2nd and 3 at CIN 43 (Shotgun) A.Dalton pass incomplete short right to B.Leonard.

3rd and 3 at CIN 43 (Shotgun) A.Dalton scrambles right end ran ob at CIN 45 for 2 yards (M.Dareus). The Replay Assistant challenged the first down ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) A.Dalton scrambles right end ran ob at CIN 46 for 3 yards (M.Dareus).

1st and 10 at CIN 46 (Shotgun) A.Dalton pass short right to B.Leonard pushed ob at BUF 39 for 15 yards (J.Byrd).

1st and 10 at BUF 39 (Shotgun) B.Leonard left guard to BUF 25 for 14 yards (D.Florence; N.Barnett).

Timeout #2 by CIN at 00:04.

Timeout #2 by BUF at 00:04.

1st and 10 at BUF 25 M.Nugent 43 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-C.Harris, Holder-K.Huber.

It's worth mentioning AJ Green doesn't have one completion during those 2 drives, they both start at the 20 yard line, and it's Andy moving the ball down the field, not the running game. He also runs a successful 2 minute offense.

So yeah like I said, you were caught talking out of your ass;)

And again this is against an undefeated, top 10 team, 4th week of the season, after throwing 2 interceptions earlier in the game and coming off of 2 back to back losses. Talk about pressure and overcoming adversity? And he did it against Jacksonville too. And he also did it to put close games away, not just come back from behind. Andy's already won in every way you need your QB to win and against a top 10 team coming back from behind in the 4th and down to the wire, with excellent clock management.

I like Cam as much as anyone but Cam's certainly behind him in that department, and it is probably the most important aspect of your game as a QB.

[whatever]

And that's great. But again....erases all doubt is wrong. I have to see that. That's a HUGE aspect. Aaron erased it. Cam still has to do that. Andy Dalton's already erased that doubt half way through the season. This is the only category Cam's behind in, and it's an important one.

Whatever happened up to this point is in the past, but from here on out, he needs to be batting .500 in those situations. The longer he goes without overcoming this monkey, the bigger an issue it becomes. The sooner he does it, the sooner we can move on to the next hurdle: winning hard divisional games, at home and on the road. Winning the BIG game, which has season altering implications. So far that's been a miss. Winning a playoff game.

Those are still very important benchmarks to overcome before anyone can make a statement like Cam erases all doubt.

no offense but this doesn't even make sense. football's a team game. the entire team has to close out games....not just the QB.

[Pantherball]

Yeah it does. Stop making excuses. Cam and the offense had an opportunity to put it away or go for the lead every game we lost and we didn't.

Don't ignore the importance of your QB play, leadership and offense, especially when it comes to 2 minute drills. This is vital to winning in the NFL and you know it.