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Cam Newton Erases All Doubt

fieryprophet

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Listen man, I don't know if I made my point badly or what but what I was trying to say was that it's too small a sample size to draw conclusions from. If we get to the playoffs three straight years and Cam plays poorly, sure he's not clutch. But for a guy that wants to throw around statistics all day you have to know that 7 games is statistically meaningless. You shouldn't be wasting your time breaking down this bullpoo. Go home and tell your wife or whoever that you love them and just walk away friend.

You have to be clutch in the 4th and win regular season games to make the playoffs. 5 losses out of 7 is a big enough sample to ruin your chances of ever getting there. You're putting the carriage before the horse. First he has to do this in the regular season, before we can ever talk about clutch in the playoffs. And I promise you, that sample size is going to be smaller overall anyway.

And as far as a waste of time, I think taking the time to look at where we really stand is time far better spent, then just posting meaningless mantra. But that's just me. To each his own I guess.

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You do realize a majority of what you've said reads like a Babelfish translation of a fortune cookie.

Honestly comments like this don't surprise me. It's sad when it's anything but though.

This place in general is very great at beating the messenger and not the point. Fortunately it becomes harder to discredit the source when the source is Cam Newton's own numbers.

I didn't put those up or made them up myself. I just presented them. You can believe what you wanna believe.:cheers2:

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You have to be clutch in the 4th and win regular season games to make the playoffs. 5 losses out of 7 is a big enough sample to ruin your chances of ever getting there. You're putting the carriage before the horse. First he has to do this in the regular season, before we can ever talk about clutch in the playoffs. And I promise you, that sample size is going to be smaller overall anyway.

And as far as a waste of time, I think taking the time to look at where we really stand is time far better spent, then just posting meaningless mantra. But that's just me. To each his own I guess.

Hey man, you knock yourself out telling me how the fourth quarter of the bears game portends Cam Newton's entire career. It looks like a fun weekend.

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Hey man, you knock yourself out telling me how the fourth quarter of the bears game portends Cam Newton's entire career. It looks like a fun weekend.

Not only is that not true, and more spinning on your end, as well as refusal to acknowledge valid data, but isn't that kind of ironic in a thread titled Cam Newton erases all doubts? I didn't see you having a problem posting quarter numbers earlier.

Bet if the numbers were opposite, you'd have no problem spewing all over them and talking about how awesome and great comeback wins are and how he's proven to be such a player.

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Not only is that not true, and more spinning on your end, as well as refusal to acknowledge valid data, but isn't that kind of ironic in a thread titled Cam Newton erases all doubts? I didn't see you having a problem posting quarter numbers earlier.

Bet if the numbers were opposite, you'd have no problem spewing all over them and talking about how awesome and great comeback wins are and how he's proven to be such a player.

I believe early on in this thread, and I'm not going to check back because this one is terrible, you stated Cam might be as unclutch as captain choke himself Mr. Tony Romo. Fun fact: Tony Romo's first start was a big comeback win against the Carolina Panthers. But what's amazing is that didn't mean anything for his career at large. It's crazy. It's almost like selectively picking fourth quarter stats to prove "clutch" in the first 7 games of a career in is a huge waste of time.

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I believe early on in this thread, and I'm not going to check back because this one is terrible, you stated Cam might be as unclutch as captain choke himself Mr. Tony Romo. Fun fact: Tony Romo's first start was a big comeback win against the Carolina Panthers. But what's amazing is that didn't mean anything for his career at large. It's crazy. It's almost like selectively picking fourth quarter stats to prove "clutch" in the first 7 games of a career in is a huge waste of time.

Dude you should check back, because this is like the 5th time in this thread alone you have been exposed for talking out of your ass: Dalton's number of comeback wins, him over relying on Green, which also wasn't true, Cam's 4th quarter statistics, and now this.

Not once throughout this thread did I use the numbers to make any passing judgment on Cam Newton's future. You oth, try to come off as if I did, but I did not. Not that I would be in the wrong to do so, but I didn't.

My actual statement without me even checking back on it, was something along the lines of if Cam doesn't stop this he's going to be compared more to the likes of Romo, not Brady. Not once did I say he was or is like Romo.

And for the record, anybody with any ounce of NFL knowledge knows I'm not selectively picking anything. MOST people who follow the NFL are fully aware of everyone's obsession with 4th quarter comeback wins statistics and being clutch in the 4th quarter when it comes to QB talk and nobody gives a poo about what a QB accomplishes in garbage time. Most people actually discredit QBs who are accused of padding stats in those situations.

You and a couple of other Cam homers are the only ones that try to dismiss it. Try as you might, nobody's going to listen! This will continue to be talked about for as long as the NFL exists just like it always has. So go on and live inside your little bubble in this forum, but outside of this, no one would take you seriously.

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Dude you should check back, because this is like the 5th time in this thread alone you have been exposed for talking out of your ass: Dalton's number of comeback wins, him over relying on Green, which also wasn't true, Cam's 4th quarter statistics, and now this.

Not once throughout this thread did I use the numbers to make any passing judgment on Cam Newton's future. You oth, try to come off as if I did, but I did not. Not that I would be in the wrong to do so, but I didn't.

My actual statement without me even checking back on it, was something along the lines of if Cam doesn't stop this he's going to be compared more to the likes of Romo, not Brady. Not once did I say he was or is like Romo.

And for the record, anybody with any ounce of NFL knowledge knows I'm not selectively picking anything. MOST people who follow the NFL are fully aware of everyone's obsession with 4th quarter comeback wins statistics and being clutch in the 4th quarter when it comes to QB talk and nobody gives a poo about what a QB accomplishes in garbage time. Most people actually discredit QBs who are accused of padding stats in those situations.

You and a couple of other Cam homers are the only ones that try to dismiss it. Try as you might, nobody's going to listen! This will continue to be talked about for as long as the NFL exists just like it always has. So go on and live inside your little bubble in this forum, but outside of this, no one would take you seriously.

Sounds like you are going back and trying to spin your previous statements a different way seems like your making up:

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Why are you assuming he's failing because of the personal pressure in the fourth?

The fact that he has a great rating in garbage time can be explained by the soft defense teams play that allow easy completions to drive down the field.

Precisely. That's actually what I am saying too.

You missed the other side of the coin though. It's not his garbage time rating that leads to that assumption it's the fact he's rating is a 57.0 outside of the 4th quarter. It's not an assumption. That is his rating in our 5 losses. His rating is an average of 86.9 in the first 3 quarters and a 57.0 in the 4th quarter outside of his garbage time.

That was my point too, his total 4th quarter QB rating is heavily inflated and saved by that garbage time. If you discount it he looks average in the 4th and below average in the 4th in our losses. If you take it into consideration, he's been a pretty horrible passer.

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