Cam Newton Erases All Doubt

[Stroupe-a-loop]

A 57.0 QB rating in the 4th quarters says otherwise.

A 57 quarterback rating that you just made up.

[mav1234]

You really think 5 (partial) quarters is enough to single out a player as "not being clutch"?

[The_Mango55]

A 57.0 QB passer rating in the 4th quarters says otherwise. So does a 48% completion ratio and 5.96 yards per attempt. 40% and 4.45 when counting sacks.

You cannot march down the field and score when you are down and need to pass when playing like that. In other words winning becomes impossible, UNLESS the defense get us a pick 6...and then a safety on top.

Denial helps ignore an issue. It doesn't fix it no matter how much you look away and try to deflect it elsewhere. You could put the Ravens D in that situation, and it wouldn't have made a difference. We would have still lost.

You're still just talking about the 4th quarter when the whole game counts.

If we had the Ravens D the whole game we wouldn't need to come back because we would be winning handily with Cam tearing it up the whole game.

If your point was that Cam hasn't proven he can consistently win a come back, yeah I would agree with you. But your point is that Cam Newton is the reason we lost the game, and your argument is really terrible.

[Pantherball]

You really think 5 (partial) quarters is enough to single out a player as "not being clutch"?

First of all 95% of all the quarters is not partial, alright. Second you can only talk about clutch when you can still win, not when the game's lost. There's no clutch factor when the game's done.

But just out of curiosity, does his 73.4 overall give you a warm fuzzy feeling? Or how about 67.7 QB passer rating when considering sacks?

But to answer your question....yeah 5 losses a season is a big enough sample. Does that mean Cam is not clutch? Not necessarily. It does mean he was not clutch.

[mav1234]

Maybe it's me, but I was expecting losses this year. Starting a rookie tends to lead to that when you don't have a great defense. I personally would have liked to have had fewer than 5 losses, but considering the offseason and starting a rookie, I'm not surprised with how the season has gone at all.

I don't pay much attention to QB ratings, but his play has made me feel warm and fuzzy because he's a rookie.

Obviously I want to see more from him (after all, this is the offense that made Derek Anderson :P), but I'm quite happy with what he's done so far.

[Pantherball]

You're still just talking about the 4th quarter when the whole game counts.

If we had the Ravens D the whole game we wouldn't need to come back because we would be winning handily with Cam tearing it up the whole game.

If you're point was that Cam hasn't proven he can consistently win a come back, yeah I would agree with you. But your point is that Cam Newton is the reason we lost the game, and your argument is really terrible.

Yes that was the primary reason because it was bout erasing all doubts.

And to your other point, the whole game counts but nobody cares what happened in the 3 quarters prior when you have a chance to win the game with 14 minutes left on the clock. It's how you finish.

It doesn't matter if you're fantastic in the first 3 if you don't carry it through to the end and fail to finish the game. That doesn't lead to W's. That, as observed, leads to L's.

So when you're down by 7 or less in the 4th quarter, you have the ball, multiple times, and need a score to win or tie and put the game away who is to blame? The defense? If he would have scored, and THEN the defense gave it away to the other team...you might have a point. But that's not what happened.

[The_Mango55]

You don't have to have a great 4th quarter if you're good enough (and your defense is good) in the first 3 quarters. See Aaron Rodgers, who has never been particularly good in the 4th quarter (or overtime, which he's never won)

If you've played a great game for the first 3 quarters, and you're still down by 7 points, then it's already the defenses fault.

[Pantherball]

Maybe it's me, but I was expecting losses this year. Starting a rookie tends to lead to that when you don't have a great defense. I personally would have liked to have had fewer than 5 losses, but considering the offseason and starting a rookie, I'm not surprised with how the season has gone at all.

I don't pay much attention to QB ratings, but his play has made me feel warm and fuzzy because he's a rookie.

Obviously I want to see more from him (after all, this is the offense that made Derek Anderson :P), but I'm quite happy with what he's done so far.

So am I. I'm incredibly happy with Cam, but this is NOT something we should be overlooking because he is a rookie. Look, I point something unpopular and people have a problem with it. A week later it's in the freaking news so if it happens again, it will be talked about. He dodged the bullet against the Jags because he got his first win.

To recap all of these numbers here's what I see. I see a kid with a fear of losing who is putting an UNHEALTHY amount of pressure on HIMSELF in the 4th quarter. He's on an island by himself out there. He doesn't have a veteran QB that's been in these situations to coach him in those moments. His coach knows nothing about QB play in those situation. Derek Anderson isn't that guy. And guys like Smith probably only make things worse: "just give me the ball". Our D can't go up to him and say: "Don't worry we'll get you a turnover" because he's not going to take them seriously. If I was Cam, I'd probably bury my head in a towel too.

BUT, that doesn't mean he should. And it doesn't mean coach Rivera should stand by and watch. Granted you can't eliminated 4th quarter pressure. It's always going to be there, and I wasn't surprised to see the numbers. What surprised me was just how MUCH of a difference it made.

That's not cool. And something tells me, this isn't normal game winning pressure. Other rookies are facing this too. He may get up to speed slower than others, but I think there's more to it than this. These are outside factors getting to him. This is the media. This is the fame. This is the spotlight, which other rookies don't have. He has more pressure to win the game, than those guys do, even though people around here think otherwise. He's feeling it.

It's really the coaches job to help out in this case. Figure out a way to get to him in those moments, because leaving him by himself on the bench with a towel on his head, EVEN if it's what he wants, and how he deals with it, isn't making things better. He's probably making it worse. Someone on this team needs to get to him and teach him how to handle that situation.

[mav1234]

So when you're down by 7 or less in the 4th quarter, you have the ball, multiple times, and need a score to win or tie and put the game away who is to blame? The defense? If he would have scored, and THEN the defense gave it away to the other team...you might have a point. But that's not what happened.

We had leads vs Arizona, New Orleans, and Atlanta in the fourth quarter, and our D gave up points in all of them to tie the game or give up the lead without a Cam interception leading to those points... Cam's INT against Atlanta was when we were already down by a TD.

[God]

lol why pieces of garbage like this are allowed to post and troll multiple threads is insane. Forum is a joke.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

So am I. I'm incredibly happy with Cam, but this is NOT something we should be overlooking because he is a rookie. Look, I point something unpopular and people have a problem with it. A week later it's in the freaking news so if it happens again, it will be talked about. He dodged the bullet against the Jags because he got his first win.

To recap all of these numbers here's what I see. I see a kid with a fear of losing who is putting an UNHEALTHY amount of pressure on HIMSELF in the 4th quarter. He's on an island by himself out there. He doesn't have a veteran QB that's been in these situations to coach him in those moments. His coach knows nothing about QB play in those situation. Derek Anderson isn't that guy. And guys like Smith probably only make things worse: "just give me the ball". Our D can't go up to him and say: "Don't worry we'll get you a turnover" because he's not going to take them seriously. If I was Cam, I'd probably bury my head in a towel too.

BUT, that doesn't mean he should. And it doesn't mean coach Rivera should stand by and watch. Granted you can't eliminated 4th quarter pressure. It's always going to be there, and I wasn't surprised to see the numbers. What surprised me was just how MUCH of a difference it made.

That's not cool. And something tells me, this isn't normal game winning pressure. Other rookies are facing this too. He may get up to speed slower than others, but I think there's more to it than this. These are outside factors getting to him. This is the media. This is the fame. This is the spotlight, which other rookies don't have. He has more pressure to win the game, than those guys do, even though people around here think otherwise. He's feeling it.

It's really the coaches job to help out in this case. Figure out a way to get to him in those moments, because leaving him by himself on the bench with a towel on his head, EVEN if it's what he wants, and how he deals with it, isn't making things better. He's probably making it worse. Someone on this team needs to get to him and teach him how to handle that situation.

Pantherball, amateur psychologist and friend of the panthers.

[Pantherball]

lol why pieces of garbage like this are allowed to post and troll multiple threads is insane. Forum is a joke.

Only a fool would take anything I have posted as trolling or garbage. And that's the problem with this board sometimes. People who are far too busy to use their brains making a contribution and crapping on others who do because they can't do it.

[Pantherball]

Just what it says?

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Just what it says?

You do realize a majority of what you've said reads like a Babelfish translation of a fortune cookie.