Come to a realization: this franchise is just too young

[Ccat]

Jake has proven he can be a winner and he's our best option right now.

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[frash.exe]

sorry but i just thought the former was an explanation of the latter. That's what happens when you make shallow observances like "he's our best option". Based on what else?

[Ccat]

How about this. You tell me who you think is a better option right now and why.

[frash.exe]

lol, yea right.

it doesn't matter. whatever specific suggestions i have to say people have no desire to hear out.

If you ask me, they should've planned for this day a long time ago.

[Ccat]

I have a desire to hear your opinion. I'm just curious though how you are going to support anyone without bringing up something they have previously done. Because if you don't look at what people have done, and by looking in the "rear view mirror" as you put it, the only thing we can evaluate is their "tools." I've seen too many players that had the "tools" fail.

[frash.exe]

The school article i posted earlier on in this thread, i'll post the quote again...

First, the income statement, balance sheet and cash flow statement are all based on historic data. They tell you where you have been, but not necessarily where you are headed. A professor from the east coast tells of an exercise he uses to bring this point home. He takes his students to a big open parking lot, where an old car sits with all of its windows blackened out with paper except the rear window.

He sets up a simple course to follow with orange cones. The trick is this. His students must navigate the orange cones driving forward by looking only through their rearview mirror. The cars careen all over the lot as the students try to master this almost impossible task.

The moral of this lesson is to illustrate the challenge of trying to go forward while only able to look in the past.

It's okay to have what has been "proven" weigh in an evaluation, but that alone doesn't make for a very good judgment call. Notice it said "only" on that last one.

there's a limit to how much people should use it. A lot of people on this forum rely on what Fox has "proven" and what Jake has "proven" and jump to this automated conclusion that just because they prove something they could do it again. It's not necessarily you, but I've run into plenty of people that do it here.

Case in point.

Alot of times people asked "why shouldn't Fox be on the hot seat"

and people answered "...because he took us to a SB and 2 NFCCGs"

and after a while it becomes cliched.

I hate cliches. I hate "defense wins championships". Bullshit. teams win championships.

I even hate when people spout off "the golden rule of the nfl draft" which is "don't pass up on a franchise QB unless you already have one..." ...which supports my point, albeit somewhat indirectly.

cliches are just catchy phrases that get passed down from person to person and before you know it, one person doesn't know why the hell he's saying it but only because some asshole told him.

...but I'm getting off topic. the fact of the matter is people are so ready to throw out past accomplishments because it's so easy to do it. They don't figure out why these things happen, that it took Fox actually benching a QB to jump-start the 2003 season, that he made daring moves he wouldn't do now and so on.

[Fireball77]

RB I think it depends on where your team is development wise whether you want to make drastic moves or not, but that's just me.

I agree with your point of don't keep doing the same thing just because it's what you have always done. You have to evaluate yourself and your decisions constantly and be adaptable to succeed in the NFL...but you have to do that within some type of overall philosophy.

But I can't say I hate cliches because even with them, the reason they become catchphrases is that they have kernels of truth to them. Yes TEAMS win championships, but teams with good to great defenses either all year or in their playoff runs are proven to have a much better chance of winning them, hence the cliche.

[bigdog_10_2002]

RB I think it depends on where your team is development wise whether you want to make drastic moves or not, but that's just me.I agree with your point of don't keep doing the same thing just because it's what you have always done. You have to evaluate yourself and your decisions constantly and be adaptable to succeed in the NFL...but you have to do that within some type of overall philosophy.

But I can't say I hate cliches because even with them, the reason they become catchphrases is that they have kernels of truth to them. Yes TEAMS win championships, but teams with good to great defenses either all year or in their playoff runs are proven to have a much better chance of winning them, hence the cliche.

1. Agree completely. However, I think the panthers are in a great position. They have a QB in place who has proven he can lead a team to the post season, and have an extremely young talent base surrounding him. A young line, young backs, a relatively young defense. With that being said if this team wants to extend that success range from 2-3 years to a possible 2-6 years, they need to be actively looking and grooming Jake's replacement. And they maybe for all I know with moore and mccown. I, for one, would just like for them to come out and say it and put it to bed, but with this F.O. that will never happen. (which isn't a bad thing)

2. Oldest cliche in the book is Defense wins Championships....however their is none truer.

[Fireball77]

Bigdog for your first point you will laugh when you see what I posted in that other thread in response to RB's post..

[bigdog_10_2002]

Bigdog for your first point you will laugh when you see what I posted in that other thread in response to RB's post..

which thread is that?

[Fireball77]

Last post, this thread.

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/10075-fox-likes-backup-qbs-but-change-possible-2.html

[bigdog_10_2002]

lol...yep...spot on post

[carpanfan96]

yep, spot on fb. I don't know how many times I've said that the team has to find the right guy for the team for it to work out. Just so Happens that Fox found his guy already. Our QB is Jake Delhomme. You could also make a point that fox found his next qb as well, In McCown. Even if he's only the qb for a season or two.

[SCP]

To answer your question about the Steeler fanbase, no I don't. The Raider fanbase is about as passionate as you can get. Do you see it pushing them to excellence? How about the Cowboy fanbase? Any luck there?

The only correlation between fan passion and team's winning is that winning teams generate more passionate fans. It doesn't work in the opposite direction. Never has. Never will. It's ownership that determines whether there's a commitment or not. Wise ownership is what the Cowboys and Raiders lack, but the Panthers and Steelers have it, and that's as good a foundation as you can find.

Bottom Line: Every criticism you have of the team is essentially rooted in the fact that this offseason they aren't running things the way you think they ought to run them. Being brutally honest, I think the whole notion that the team just isn't trying hard enough or is too conservative to ever field a winner is absurd, especially coming off a season when the team was one bad playoff game away from another championship game.

There's a pretty solid core in place on this team, and with a tweak or two here and there, who knows? Anyone here who thinks they can categorically say that we have no shot at anything substantial next season is talking out his blowhole. None of us knows, and there's just as much reason to hope as there is reason to fear.

Choose whichever path you want. Just don't kid yourself about whether that decision has any real import regarding the way the team is run.

Mr. Scot for the win. Great post my brotha.