Come to a realization: this franchise is just too young

[mountainpantherfan]

Alright, I sit here and I read everything you guys write but I have to say most of you are morons. Support the team don't complain because we're talking about extending Jake's contract or any other bullpoo. So what if we don't have the money to sign some free agents. Oh god it is such a boring off season, quit crying you fags. We have every starter from last year except for Ken Lucas, Jake did great last year in my opinion, yeah I wanted to choke him during the playoff loss but why the hell were we not running more? John Fox is a great coach, Jake is a damn good quarterback and Julius Peppers is one of the best DE's in the league but most of you are fuging dumb. fuging babies. Jesus, I wouldn't want to play here either if I had such stupid fuging fans like you guys. fug this site and fug all you fuging duesh bags.

By all means don't hold back. Say what is really on your mind...

[carpanfan96]

I can see where you are coming from but I am not upset with Fox getting in Williams' ear about that touchdown. It wasn't the smartest thing to do considering how much time was on the clock. Fox was right and Williams knew it. It was good that Fox told him to play smarter. I have very little doubt that we would have scored anyway....more faith in that than in our defense stopping a miracle comeback.

About that 3 out of 4 gameplan....that has never ceased to piss me off. plan to win everything. Forget about realistic expectations...strive for perfection. You may not hit it but if you push yourself hard enough and expect it you are sure to get further than you have before.

That is what makes the Patriots the team that everyone wants to play for. That is what makes them multiple Superbowl champions. Fox accused the team of being soft when he arrived. He played hardball and went for the throat and he had the team mirror that. I want to see him do that again. I know he can.

It isn't like the team's goal isn't to win every game, everyone shoots for perfection. That's the point of playing, to win, isn't it? But to say that going 3-1 each quarter or 12-4 overall to make the playoff's is a bad goal is ridiculous. The goal is to make the playoff's and win the super bowl, going 3-1 each quarter or 12-4 gives you a chance every year to obtain that goal. Isn't that what everyone here wants? A super Bowl victory.......

[carpanfan96]

Alright, I sit here and I read everything you guys write but I have to say most of you are morons. Support the team don't complain because we're talking about extending Jake's contract or any other bullsh*t. So what if we don't have the money to sign some free agents. Oh god it is such a boring off season, quit crying you fags. We have every starter from last year except for Ken Lucas, Jake did great last year in my opinion, yeah I wanted to choke him during the playoff loss but why the hell were we not running more? John Fox is a great coach, Jake is a damn good quarterback and Julius Peppers is one of the best DE's in the league but most of you are f*cking dumb. f*cking babies. Jesus, I wouldn't want to play here either if I had such stupid f*cking fans like you guys. f*ck this site and f*ck all you f*cking duesh bags.

Who was this directed towards???

[Panthro]

alright, i sit here and i read everything you guys write but i have to say most of you are morons. Support the team don't complain because we're talking about extending jake's contract or any other bullpoo. So what if we don't have the money to sign some free agents. Oh god it is such a boring off season, quit crying you fags. We have every starter from last year except for ken lucas, jake did great last year in my opinion, yeah i wanted to choke him during the playoff loss but why the hell were we not running more? John fox is a great coach, jake is a damn good quarterback and julius peppers is one of the best de's in the league but most of you are fuging dumb. Fuging babies. Jesus, i wouldn't want to play here either if i had such stupid fuging fans like you guys. Fug this site and fug all you fuging duesh bags.

lol

[Seamonk]

I think he says the 3 out of 4 thing at press conferences when they lose and is pretty much saying, it's ok to lose, realistically we probably won't win every game. And considering everyone in here LOVES to say that "I'M JUST BEING REALISTIC" everytime they disapprove of the front office or making predictions, I don't understand how you people continue to try to take everything he says negatively.

[rayzor]

I personally think that the team, yes, Fox included do plan to win every game. Just because he says winning 3 out of 4 is a good thing in a press conference does not mean that it is his goal to settle. I just don't believe that, but I understand that a lot of fans do because that helps them with their theories that Fox needs to be replaced, (not that I think that of you Rayzor, just that it is a prevailing reason to condemn him on here)...

understood.

It isn't like the team's goal isn't to win every game, everyone shoots for perfection. That's the point of playing, to win, isn't it? But to say that going 3-1 each quarter or 12-4 overall to make the playoff's is a bad goal is ridiculous. The goal is to make the playoff's and win the super bowl, going 3-1 each quarter or 12-4 gives you a chance every year to obtain that goal. Isn't that what everyone here wants? A super Bowl victory.......

My thinking is the commitment to excellence must permeate through it all. They are shooting for 75% percent. Few can make that and i was excited that we did go 12-4. That is no small feat. I am just of the persuasion that we don't shouldn't settle for that. You can tell that they get that feeling in a lot of what they do. They try to be just good enough to get by. I don't want them to just get by. I want them to be the best. You stand a better chance at achieving more if you don't say that 75% is good enough. You set the bar low, you are going to get lower results. Imo, 75% is setting the bar too low, especially if you want to go all the way.

[thefuzz]

If his salary was top 5 I would agree 100%. His salary is fine IMO, it's about middle of the pack for a starter on their second deal I believe (5 mil or so). His cap hit I have a problem with though. I do believe they have restructured his deal pretty much every year after he got the new one, and that is poor contract management, IMO.

That's pretty much what I was going to reply to fuzz with.. But I do think they have mismanaged some contract stuff in general.

Also, nice post rayzor.

I am sorry, I am upset more about the cap, not the pay...I always make that mistake....

It's not Jakes fault, it is the fault of the FO, and more importantly the contract negotiators. That is where all of my frustration comes from with the Panthers....FO.

[mantal]

I am sorry, I am upset more about the cap, not the pay...I always make that mistake....

It's not Jakes fault, it is the fault of the FO, and more importantly the contract negotiators. That is where all of my frustration comes from with the Panthers....FO.

You do know that this is the result of Jake re-negotiating with his team in order to sign other players right?...

[panthers55]

understood.

My thinking is the commitment to excellence must permeate through it all. They are shooting for 75% percent. Few can make that and i was excited that we did go 12-4. That is no small feat. I am just of the persuasion that we don't shouldn't settle for that. You can tell that they get that feeling in a lot of what they do. They try to be just good enough to get by. I don't want them to just get by. I want them to be the best. You stand a better chance at achieving more if you don't say that 75% is good enough. You set the bar low, you are going to get lower results. Imo, 75% is setting the bar too low, especially if you want to go all the way.

Bingo!!!!

I have harped on this for years!!!!!

[frash.exe]

Alright, I sit here and I read everything you guys write but I have to say most of you are morons. Support the team don't complain because we're talking about extending Jake's contract or any other bullpoo. So what if we don't have the money to sign some free agents. Oh god it is such a boring off season, quit crying you fags. We have every starter from last year except for Ken Lucas, Jake did great last year in my opinion, yeah I wanted to choke him during the playoff loss but why the hell were we not running more? John Fox is a great coach, Jake is a damn good quarterback and Julius Peppers is one of the best DE's in the league but most of you are fuging dumb. fuging babies. Jesus, I wouldn't want to play here either if I had such stupid fuging fans like you guys. fug this site and fug all you fuging duesh bags.

how does life in the rear view mirror look? I'm too busy looking at what's in front of me.

You embody the very part of the fanbase that disgusts me.

[frash.exe]

I personally think that the team, yes, Fox included do plan to win every game. Just because he says winning 3 out of 4 is a good thing in a press conference does not mean that it is his goal to settle. I just don't believe that, but I understand that a lot of fans do because that helps them with their theories that Fox needs to be replaced, (not that I think that of you Rayzor, just that it is a prevailing reason to condemn him on here)...

That might be the case if he said it once or twice, but the fact of the matter is, he's said it constantly, year after year, time after time, and loss after loss.

My understanding is, unrealistic as it may be, 16-0 should still be the goal, looking at the big picture. When you're in college or whatever I bet you're goal is to try to get 100% and not 75%.

If you don't make 16-0 you might be 13-3, you might be 12-4, but those are two very good records. 12-4 is a solid finished product, it's a good record, but it's not a very good "goal".

[mantal]

That might be the case if he said it once or twice, but the fact of the matter is, he's said it constantly, year after year, time after time, and loss after loss.

My understanding is, unrealistic as it may be, 16-0 should still be the goal, looking at the big picture. When you're in college or whatever I bet you're goal is to try to get 100% and not 75%.

If you don't make 16-0 you might be 13-3, you might be 12-4, but those are two very good records. 12-4 is a solid finished product, it's a good record, but it's not a very good "goal".

Well, I understand that, that's his philosophy, for the public and the press. But that doesn't mean it's the philosophy for the team! That's all I'm saying...

[frash.exe]

From the "Thank God Carolina has a franchise" crowd, if I may:

Carolina could finish 0-16 every year, never changing out a player at a single posistion until they reached the age of 40, and always drafting the bottom six prospects of any given draft class and I would still proudly wear the jerseys, attend home games, and believe every single sunday that they were going to win.

If you would like to discuss how incompetent or ineffective any portion of this team is, might I suggest talking to a Raiders fan or maybe a Lions fan, franchises that haven't been relevant almost the entire length of our organization's existence?

That would be a fine perspective if the Raiders and Lions franchises were benchmarks we are trying to compare ourselves to but we're not. As a matter of fact, no team uses those guys as benchmarks. What I don't want us to become is an organization that uses cop outs and makes lousy excuses for lousy performance. That was fine when this organization was in it's infancy, but 15, 20, 30 years down the road?

Plenty of times people throw 1-15 out like if Fox could go 2-14, "at least he didn't go 1-15". 2001 is dead and gone, forget it, it's irrelevant, it was already 7 years ago, if we want to move forward as a franchise lets quit using that as an excuse because 1-15 is almost the absolute worst you can do, so you have to really really screw up as a team to reach that.

I bet when the Patriots lost the Superbowl last year, fans weren't running around all over the place saying, "well at least we're not 1-15 like we were in 1990."

[mantal]

That would be a fine perspective if the Raiders and Lions franchises were benchmarks we are trying to compare ourselves to but we're not. As a matter of fact, no team uses those guys as benchmarks. What I don't want us to become is an organization that uses cop outs and makes lousy excuses for lousy performance. That was fine when this organization was in it's infancy, but 15, 20, 30 years down the road?

Plenty of times people throw 1-15 out like if Fox could go 2-14, "at least he didn't go 1-15". 2001 is dead and gone, forget it, it's irrelevant, it was already 7 years ago, if we want to move forward as a franchise lets quit using that as an excuse because 1-15 is almost the absolute worst you can do, so you have to really really screw up as a team to reach that.

I bet when the Patriots lost the Superbowl last year, fans weren't running around all over the place saying, "well at least we're not 1-15 like we were in 1990."

You're just wrong Raging Bull, you're just wrong. I don't mean to think that or post that, but it's just true. People went 3-1 last year, we were ecstatic about it. We blow a first round buy second round playoff game and people want to gut the team, replace every player, the coach and the front office, get real...

We're still a pretty good team, deal with it...