Cam Newton Changing the way the quarterback position is played.

[teeray]

Colleges and much more so higschools have been using athletic QB's forever. There is nothing rare about it. Highchools almost always have their best athlete playing QB. Haven't you noticed how many receivers and running backs have QB experience? There is absolutely nothing new abou that.

Before about 1995 college offenses didn't have the type of offenses they have now that fit the attributes of the athletic QB unless they ran a wishbone or flexbone. So the athletes were moved to other positions in favor of the traditional QB.

That trend has changed dramatically particularly over the last 10 years and as teams like Oregon, Auburn, Clemson, etc have success more and more teams are going to move in that direction.

[Peppers90 NC]

Because it won't be as rare as the college and high school offenses continues to evolve toward the athlete at QB.

At some point the NFL will have to keep pace because traditional passers are becoming more and more scarce.

Well if you can find more 6'6" QB's with speed, agility, toughness, a phenomenal arm, a great work ethic and leadership abilities, I guess I wont call it rare.

[Camdemonium]

Auburn hasn't had success.

They won 1 NC with one of the best college players ever.

That's it. Stop acting like they are the standard.

It just adds to the theory that you started watching football around a year ago.

[teeray]

You seem like a relatively new fan to the game of football. It's not that teams haven't tried to draft athletic QBs, it's just that they are largely terrible when they do.

Cam is unique. He's succeeding becasue he's making throws down the field.

:lol: at you putting Oregon in that list because of it's QB. Come on man. Maybe Dixon but he's a nobody anymore. It's all scheme and matchups in NCAA. Why do you think the big schools try and avoid playing good teams as much as they can? You don't get Alabama A&M School of Medicine in the NFL.

Utah hasn't been good for a while, probably since Smith was there, like 7 years ago.

Whole post stinks of fail.

Utah beat Alabama in 2006 and went undefeated.

If you read my earlier post (which I admit was a little long) the reason athletic QBs have been not as successful is because they were being drafted and then teams tried to mold them into the NFL traditional offense.

That trend in the near future is going to change. NFL teams are going to start molding their offenses to fit the athletic QB. Much like we have at times this year.

Some of our biggest running plays have come off of counter options, read options, and pistol formation with the triple option. And those wrinkles have been very successful.

Teams will take notice and I bet within the next 10 years someone will bring either the read option or pistol to the NFL and have success with it.

[csx]

Before about 1995 college offenses didn't have the type of offenses they have now that fit the attributes of the athletic QB unless they ran a wishbone or flexbone. So the athletes were moved to other positions in favor of the traditional QB.

That trend has changed dramatically particularly over the last 10 years and as teams like Oregon, Auburn, Clemson, etc have success more and more teams are going to move in that direction.

I guess my memory of the 80's college FB is just differant than yours.

Going back in college FB, you would have seen much more of those option offenses than you do now.

Looking back at the best college QBs of all time, most are dual threats.

[teeray]

Auburn hasn't had success.

They won 1 NC with one of the best college players ever.

That's it. Stop acting like they are the standard.

It just adds to the theory that you started watching football around a year ago.

So from that you picked out one team on that list. :lol:

SO you are saying that Auburn was more successful with the athletic QB than they have been with the traditional passers. All the more reason the pocket passers are becoming obsolete.

I left one off too. Ohio State was very successful with Pryor as well. The best teams in college year in and year out have the athletic QB and that is becoming the trend in amateur football. At some point it will force the NFL to keep up.

And don't get me wrong the pocket passer will always be desired. But over time mobility and athleticism will cease to be viewed a luxury and will start becoming a premium. In other words guys who can pass and run will be valued higher than guys who can only pass.

[Camdemonium]

If Luck comes out and plays decent for 7 games, how do you think your opinion will change?

Will everyone be going back to "boring white pocket passers"

Who is the next Aaron Rodgers? Manning? Brady?

I wish I had thoughts as simple as yours

[Camdemonium]

So from that you picked out one team on that list. :lol:

SO you are saying that Auburn was more successful with the athletic QB than they have been with the traditional passers. All the more reason they are becoming obsolete.

I left one off too. Ohio State was very successful with Pryor as well. The best teams in college have the athletic QB and that is becoming the trend in amateur football.

Alabama, LSU, USC, Stanford.........................................

Shall I continue?

[The Saltman]

Is this now a college football thread?

Yayy

[Camdemonium]

Who knows.

Nothing here is in the right forum.

[teeray]

I guess my memory of the 80's college FB is just differant than yours.

Going back in college FB, you would have seen much more of those option offenses than you do now.

Looking back at the best college QBs of all time, most are dual threats.

The spread option did not exist in major college football in the 80's and weren't really a part in the BCS conferences until this last decade.

And I am not sure if you misread but I said that in the 80's there weren't many athletic QBs unless they were in a flexbone or wishbone option type offense. There were definitely still teams running those in the 80's like Oklahoma and Nebraska among others.

Maybe I didn't articulate that very well. If so I apologize. :)

[teeray]

Alabama, LSU, USC, Stanford.........................................

Shall I continue?

USC has been pretty much irrelevant since 2004. Alabama uses the pistol offense pretty heavily, LSU has had success because they have been a defensive juggernaut over the last decade (not really known for their offensive prowess. They have used a pro style offense and how many of their QBs are in the NFL?), and Stanford has been irrelevant for a long long time before the greatest ever :rolleyes: Andrew Luck took over.

Not to mention I am talking about where the offenses are trending, not where they are in a snapshot today.

[Camdemonium]

:lol:

This argument is tired, this logic is tired.

You have to be able to pass in the NFL, if you are mobile, great.

You don't find many Cam Newtons. You don't find many Aaron Rodgers. You don't find many Peyton Mannings.

You find a bunch of slightly above averages dudes that can hold it down until you have the chance to find the rare ones.

[csx]

I realize you are trying to make Cam Newton some kind of epic figure in the history of football but in a way you are diminishing him. You make it sound like there are all kinds of guys like him who haven't been given a chance.

Newton's biggest gifts are proving to be his smarts, vision, competiveness, leadership, arm and size. These are not new characterisics but basically the age old blueprints for a QB. The athleticism is a bonus, as he'd have the same potential for greatness without it.

As he continues to advance his classic QB game, and if it really gets to the level we are hoping for, you can guaruntee that the running stuff will all but vanish over the next few years.

That's just my opinion.