Cam Newton Changing the way the quarterback position is played.

[Pantherball]

How is he changing the game?

Well he's making the option play pretty popular.

....and he's proven that a 6 man pile isn't enough to sack a QB, you need at least 7 else he's going to throw everyone off of him and escape.

[footballisasport]

What Vick was supposed to do

I'm not even sure why people compare Newton to Vick. They really don't have that much in common.

Because it's obvious and safe.

The same reason why the media was comparing The Golden Calf of Bristol to Vick and Cam. It's safe and give those who really aren't followers of the game a false perception.

[whatever]

if Nawrocki was getting his info from NFL scouts, those same scouts must have been using him to try to get negative info out there on Newton...hoping that it might cause him to fall to their team in the draft.

he certainly wasn't getting the info from teammates and coaches of Newton. the fake smile thing was ridiculous but the questions about his leadership and work ethic were even worse,imo. Newton's basically the polar opposite of everything that Nawrocki claimed him to be.

i still think that he probably got most of his info from a butthurt Urban Meyer and/or Dan Mullen. they obviously weren't talking to anyone from Blinn or Auburn....which is really bad/stupid scouting,imo.

They get their source from the same place a lot of other analysts do, from scouts.

It's not quite the double-edged sword that getting info from agents is, but scouts whiff sometimes, in both directions (Ryan Leaf, Tom Brady, etc)

I have a theory on where the whole "fake smile" notion came from, but I think I'll save that for later.

[Pantherball]

i get what you're saying about dual threat QBs, but Steve Young, Vick etc weren't as big or bigger than 7-8 of the defensive players that they were lining up against....while also having 4.5 speed.

before the draft, there were so many talking heads saying that Cam's game didn't translate to the NFL, he wouldn't be able to run like he did in college, etc. the reality is that he's going to be the nightmare for DCs that Vick was supposed to be. if they stack the box, he has the arm to make teams pay. drop 7-8 into zone coverage and he'll move the chains with his legs with 15-20 yard runs.

i think that he'd prefer to be seen as a "traditional" drop back passer but at the same time, he'll do whatever he needs to do to move the chains or get into the end zone.

Supposed to be? Vick was a nightmare for DC's, including us. Vick may not have been the passer Cam is in his early years, but he was dominant as a rushing QB, and we could never contain him. We used Peppers as a spy consistently and it didn't help.

[whatever]

you're right. Vick is/was a nightmare for DCs because of his running ability. i just meant that, prior to last year, he never really evolved as a passing threat and at around 6'0 or 6'1 and *maybe* 200 lbs, he doesn't really have the frame to be a pure running threat and stay healthy for an entire season.

[Pantherball]

It's not so much his running threat that makes Cam dangerous. Guys like Vick were much harder to contain. It's his size cause he can just walk over you for at least 3 or 4 but more than anything...his ability to escape and throw on the run. Passing on the run, which he didn't do as much the past game...that's what drives DC's crazy.

He sidesteps a sure sack here, he steps up there and buys himself enough time to complete a pass and wait for an open receiver to get open that might not otherwise be there. That's Cam's biggest weapon, imo.

[Mr. Scot]

if Nawrocki was getting his info from NFL scouts, those same scouts must have been using him to try to get negative info out there on Newton...hoping that it might cause him to fall to their team in the draft.

he certainly wasn't getting the info from teammates and coaches of Newton. the fake smile thing was ridiculous but the questions about his leadership and work ethic were even worse,imo. Newton's basically the polar opposite of everything that Nawrocki claimed him to be.

i still think that he probably got most of his info from a butthurt Urban Meyer and/or Dan Mullen. they obviously weren't talking to anyone from Blinn or Auburn....which is really bad/stupid scouting,imo.

No idea who they were talking to. Doubt we'll ever know.

People talk like that bit was the whole profile. Like every other analysis, they had both positives and negatives.

[Mr. Scot]

you're right. Vick is/was a nightmare for DCs because of his running ability. i just meant that, prior to last year, he never really evolved as a passing threat and at around 6'0 or 6'1 and *maybe* 200 lbs, he doesn't really have the frame to be a pure running threat and stay healthy for an entire season.

Monte Kiffin gave people the blueprint for beating Vick early on.

Some people didn't have the personnel for it. Others had Mike Trgovac as a defensive coordinator.

[csx]

Monte Kiffin gave people the blueprint for beating Vick early on.

Some people didn't have the personnel for it. Others had Mike Trgovac as a defensive coordinator.

he consistantly fielded top 10 defenses, hard to knock him too much

[frash.exe]

2006's defense which gave up a number of fourth quarter leads

but hey total yards is total defensive greatness rite?

[Tom]

Hard to believe folks are still defending Nawrocki.

[csx]

2006's defense which gave up a number of fourth quarter leads

but hey total yards is total defensive greatness rite?

No, they were 8th in points too. That's not too shabby.

[teeray]

More teams are going to be looking at guys that are multidimensional and not just drop back passers. With the major changes in college football and high school football the pro style pocket passer is becoming more and more scarce.

That is why you see these sh*tty QBs get 1st round grades from draftniks just because they play in a pro style offense in college.

You better believe that all NFL scouts and coaches are keeping a close eye on how Cam Newton is used and whether things like the read option and pistol formations can be successful in the NFL with the right QB.

If Cam Newton continues to prove that it can you will see guys that come from these type of offenses will no longer be taboo to draft and suddenly a whole new world of talent at QB becomes available options to draft because they won't feel handcuffed to traditional NFL offenses and by default the traditional drop back passer. There will always be a premium on those guys but they simply exist less and less in today's amateur football landscape.

And changing the game doesn't happen over night. The change will be gradual, but if this offense becomes as effective as I think it will over the next couple of years with wrinkles like the read option, counter option, pistol formation triple option, etc (some of our biggest running plays this year has come out of these wrinkles). Other teams will mimic us.

And if our offense becomes as successful as I think it can there will be a shift in the attributes NFL front offices value when scouting college QBs.

The reason in my opinion that other QBs haven't revolutionized the game is because in the past the NFL has taken these athletic QB and tried to mold them to fit in a classic NFL offense.

I feel that in the very near future and because of guys like Cam Newton that there is going to be a complete reversal of this dynamic. Pretty soon NFL teams are going to mold their offenses to fit the athletic QB.

Mark this down. Within the next 10 years (and maybe even next year if Urban Meyer is hired by Miami) someone will bring a spread option or pistol type offense to the NFL. And if it is successful, athleticism and mobility which to this point has been viewed as a luxury for NFL quarterbacks will become a premium.

Some people will say that those offenses will never work in the NFL. However, it wasn't to long ago that people also said they wouldn't work in the BCS conferences because the athletes on defense were too fast. Now teams like Clemson, Oregon, Florida (while Meyer was there), and Auburn are proving those people wrong.

There is one caveat to all of this. In the NFL you have to be able to throw the ball and many athletic QBs are deficient in that area by NFL standards. But my opinion is that with the evolution of the college game there will be more and more guys like Cam Newton in the future. And a smart NFL team will start trying to figure out ways to capitalize on those players and their unique attributes instead of forcing them to adapt to the current offenses of the NFL.

And Cam Newton being successful as a dual threat QB (especially 3 years from now :eek:) will be a big part of that evolution.

[frash.exe]

No, they were 8th in points too. That's not too shabby.

except for in the 4th quarter when you're leading by like one possession