Merril Hodge would take Cam over Luck

[Mr. Scot]

Yeah but that wouldn't be an issue with Luck. It's not like you can sign Luck. He goes to process of OTAs and Training Camps just like other rookies. As we can see Grossman's game at UF didn't transfer that well either. So taking Luck right now isn't even a possibility at all so when people talk about taking Luck over Grossman it means with a proper rookie offseason.

But at the point where he goes through all of those things and actually faces pro-level competition, he becomes a pro. Once that's occurred, you can judge him against others on an equal playing field.

We've got people saying they know Luck is better even as a college QB than guys who are established pros. I don't think that's something you can know.

[HeatCheck]

People aren't judging him but rather predicting what he could do. I think people are saying Luck will be the better pro not that he is right now. We don't live in this fantasy land where Luck is just thrown into a NFL game without preparation. I think when most fans say I'll take Luck over our current QB, it means with proper rookie preparation.

We are basically saying the same thing, but Luck won't have to worry about not going through the process of being a rookie, because he has to. Throw Luck on a team right now and expect him to perform to his abilities is unrealistic.

And like you said Mr. Scot who cares about Luck because we have Cam.

[Munch4455]

And Rogers could be the Brady/Manning era's Favre :p

Aaron Rodgers is already better than Brett Farve ever was in his career.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Pretty much.

I wouldn't take the best college quarterback over the worst experienced pro.

....but the Panthers just did.... Member?:drool5:

You wouldnt take Luck over Kyle Boller? Jimmy Claussen or Mark Brunell, Is this John Fox?

[footballisasport]

Considering one has proven that they can play well at the NFL level and the other has not, seems rather easy to me.

And very logical... If u think about Dalton and Ponder are better than Luck. I'll take them over Luck any day.

[Mr. Scot]

....but the Panthers just did.... Member?:drool5:

Sort of :lol:

Can Luck be made into a better pro quarterback than those guys? Doubt anybody would disagree with that notion.

Is he better right now? No.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

This feels like Groundhog day.... Lol

With the build up of Luck being a " cant miss!" and pundits screaming at worse he is a drew Brees, Manning type guy...is he only set up to fail?

He will be on a baaad team and the Panthers and Cam were kind of a perfect strom. New innovative coaching staff, actual talent that was nullified by bad QB play and coaching.

[The_Mango55]

I don't, and it isn't just about the playbook. The level of competition makes a world of difference.

That's why I say he will be better, but right now? No way. He hasn't faced a pro level defense yet.

Yes it's a big adjustment from college to the pros, but what you're not taking into account is that many players never make that adjustment. Moore and Clausen have played better defenses than Luck, but it doesn't matter because they never improved because of it.

[Mr. Scot]

Yes it's a big adjustment from college to the pros, but what you're not taking into account is that many players never make that adjustment. Moore and Clausen have played better defenses than Luck, but it doesn't matter because they never improved because of it.

Understand what you mean. Just don't agree. But we're debating something that can never happen so it's kind of moot.

[footballisasport]

Yes I absolutely believe he's better right now than Clausen and Moore. I would expect him to perform better right now on the Dolphins than Moore is. Unless you're just talking about not knowing the playbook, which is an unfair comparison since he knows his own playbook.

So it was okay to throw QB verbiage at Cam to prove the point that he lacks NFL readiness as a QB but now it would be unfair to see how ready Luck truly is by doing the same to him..okay

[The_Mango55]

So it was okay to throw QB verbiage at Cam to prove the point that he lacks NFL readiness as a QB but now it would be unfair to see how ready Luck truly is by doing the same to him..okay

:confused:

I'm not saying anything about Cam Newton. I wouldn't trade Cam for Luck and I don't think Luck will be as good as Cam.

I do however believe Luck is better right now than many backup NFL QBs and even some starters.

[Davidson Deac II]

Because the difference between college and the pros is huge.

There's not a single college quarterback - Luck included - that you could stick on a pro team right now and expect him to just perform right away.

The transition between college and the pros is enormous. Some make it more quickly than others (witness Newton) but it still takes time.

So yes, Luck (probably) will be better than Moore, Clausen, Grossman and others, but is he right now?

No :nonod:

We will have to agree to disagree. IMO, Luck would at least have a chance to be a good qb, grossman has no chance.

[tiger7_88]

More than likely Luck will never be able to live up to the hype that has been thrust upon him. No doubt he may turn out to be really good (brains + braun), however it's fugging hilarious that some people already have him a spot reserved in Canton.

If he comes into the league and only plays as good as his Dad, then he deserves to be named up there with the biggest busts in the league like Jamarcus Russell.

Not saying its his fault, but he'll be profiting from all the hype he's being given. So if he busts, that only means he'll bust BAD.

[panthers55]

Aaron Rodgers is already better than Brett Farve ever was in his career.

This question was posed to Sterling Sharpe last week on NFl Sirius and he said anyone who believes Rodgers is better than Favre knows nothing about football.

He argued that Rodgers has a tremendous amount of talent around him while Favre had much less around him but still played at a high level. He said that Rodgers would not have done nearly as well as Favre did if Rodgers had to play on the some of teams Favre played on.

He admitted that Rodgers is good but hasn't earned the right to be called better than Favre.