Adrian Peterson

[carolinarolls]

As long a we can limit some stupid penalties we should have a chance to throttle him. We will need another solid effort from big game James and Triple A but I am starting to count on that from those two.

Triple A = Awesome Antwan Applewhite btw

These two are fast enough and physical enough to make huge impacts against the run.

[X-Clown]

Pantherball = njp? :shocked:

Nope, PantherFan4Life

[teeray]

Pantherball = njp? :shocked:

No it is PantherFanForLife. He was banned but keeps creating new alts.

[The_Mango55]

Pantherball I'm not going to quote your ridiculous posts, but I want to point out how you say we need to be concerned about Ponder, then instead of backing up that statement with any facts or arguments you go on a rant about turnovers.

What the hell are you arguing? Everyone already knows that zero turnovers is better than more than zero turnovers.

[Pantherball]

Sooo. As long as Cam never has a turnover and we dominate the ball and our offense score 30 plus points every game our defense is fine?? Awesome defense of our defense.

"as long a our offense is perfect our defense will only give up 20 points!!" LMAO

Meanwhile in the rest of the league and the real world all but two winning teams on Sunday gave up more than 20 points. So 10 of the twelve winning teams gave up 20 points or less. Many of those teams even had turnovers :eek: Amazing huh??

Answer me this. In the Falcons game our offense did have three turnovers that hurt a lot. But only one of them led to Falcons points. We still gave up 31 points. That means 24 of them did not come off of turnovers.

That is on the defense. Simple and plain :cam:

And how do you continue to ignore that in the advanced statistics (which take into account penalties, creating turnovers, points per possession, etc) we were ranked last in the league on defense coming into last week??

Your inability to judge reality because of your own rose colored glasses never fails to amaze me. It's that simple and just plain wrong.

First the turnover was in the 4th quarter when we were supposed to drive for the win.

Second, the part you missed was the interception in the endzone before the half that ALSO cost us 7 points, also on the O. That's a 14 point negative swing all on the offense.

Third, there were 4 offensive drives where they did NOTHING in the second half. Our O did absolutely nothing for the final quarter and a half. Our D DID stop the Falcons at least 3 teams without any points scored against them.

Fourth, no D will be able to shut out an opponent when their O screws the pooch on 4 consecutive offensive drives. Any D in the league will get busted eventually when your O is that incapable at coming up with points on so many tries only yards. Just cause we can't convert yards into points that doesn't mean the other teams couldn't.

Again, you can't get over your own blindness for your QB to be able to view this football team objectively. Which is why you are almost always wrong. You're a fan, and nothing wrong with that, but objectivity is not your strong point.

[Anybodyhome]

Team rushing totals against Carolina thus far:

Arizona (Beanie Wells): 100/1 TD

Green Bay (Starks & Grant) 124/1 TD

Jacksonville (Jones-Drew crew) 128

Chicago (Forte) 224/2 TD

New Orleans (Sproles, Ingram, St. Pierre) 91/1 TD

Atlanta (Turner, Snelling) 166/3 TD

Washington (Hightower) 97/1 TD

Rush defense is now 29th in the league overall.

30th in rushing yards per game.

25th at 4.7 YPC

32nd (last- tied with Colts and Jets) in rushing TDs allowed (9)

32nd (last- tied with Colts) most runs +20 yards (10)

31st (tied with Bears and Eagles) most runs +40 yards (3)

By the way, Carolina's pass defense is ranked 18th overall and has allowed 9 passing TDs this season as well.

So, it seems to me the preferred method of scoring on Carolina is to run the ball on a lousy defense, which eats clock time and keeps the ball away from the Panther offense. And, it's a lot easier to run the ball on Carolina than pass...

...jus' sayin'...

[Ja Rhule]

Nope, PantherFan4Life

oh... why change name?

Edit: Nvm..

[teeray]

I also would like to point out that if you take away the "monsoon game" in which no team would have scored many points both our offense's and defense's number look a lot different. Our offense in non-monsoon games would average closer to 27 points per game and our defensive number would be over 30 ppg.

[Davidson Deac II]

People still don't get it. There are currently 4 QBs on schedule to break Dan Marino's passing record. 2 receivers with the potential to beat Jerry Rice's record. The best teams in the league have some of the worst defenses Pats and GB and Saints are worse than us....and we are the only top 5 offense with a 2-5 record scoring less than an average of 30 points a game.

Some of you still don't get it. All the other top 5 offenses average 30 points per game. This is now average and expected. We average 23. Get it through your heads! 30 points per game is now NORMAL for a top 5 offense. It has been since day 1. We're half way through the season. Wake up and stop spilling old mantra that has NOTHING to do with today's NFL.

Do you see how many RB's have had 250 yard games this year? Dallas's rookie did it again today against the Rams. It means very little nowadays. If you wanna win your D has to be good at stopping the pass, not the run, which WE ARE! And your team has to pass and score 30 points. Which we have only done once this year, today.

Fwiw, we saw some extreme numbers in the beginning of the season regarding passing, but they have started to level off some as the season has progressed. I imagine the lockout had the defenses behind moreso than the offenses. But most of the 400 yard plus games were in the first three weeks of the season. Those records might still be broken, but thats not as much of a sure thing as it was in september.

Scoring is down also since the first week of the season. Not as many teams are scoring 30 plus points. Of course, New Orleans skewed the heck out of the average, but the last 2 weeks only 5-6 teams scored more than 30, while in the first few weeks, the numbers were more like 10 or so per weekend.

[teeray]

Your inability to judge reality because of your own rose colored glasses never fails to amaze me. It's that simple and just plain wrong.

First the turnover was in the 4th quarter when we were supposed to drive for the win.

Second, the part you missed was the interception in the endzone before the half that ALSO cost us 7 points, also on the O. That's a 14 point negative swing all on the offense.

Third, there were 4 offensive drives where they did NOTHING in the second half. Our O did absolutely nothing for the final quarter and a half. Our D DID stop the Falcons at least 3 teams without any points scored against them.

Fourth, no D will be able to shut out an opponent when their O screws the pooch on 4 consecutive offensive drives. Any D in the league will get busted eventually when your O is that incapable at coming up with points on so many tries only yards. Just cause we can't convert yards into points that doesn't mean the other teams couldn't.

Again, you can't get over your own blindness for your QB to be able to view this football team objectively. Which is why you are almost always wrong. You're a fan, and nothing wrong with that, but objectivity is not your strong point.

In the Falcons game the Falcons had 7 true possessions and scored on 5 of them and had TDs on 4 of them.

Your entire argument has basically been, "Our offense has to be perfect in order for us to win games so therefore you can't blame the defense" That is a weak argument.

Plus not surprisingly you missed my entire point. I never said that our offense didn't shoulder some of the blame in the Falcons loss. I simply said the turnovers only accounted for one Atlanta score. Therefore although you can put some of the blame on the offense for losing the game (I agree with you on that) it had very little to do with giving up 31 points. That was all on the defense.

You still haven't quite gotten to the point where you can answer a couple simple questions.

How do you account for all those teams that turned the ball over last Sunday but still held their opponents to 20 points or less??

And why do you continue to ignore the fact that we were dead last in the NFL in advanced statistics for defense (which takes into account penalties, forced turnovers, yards per play etc)??

Your silence on those two points speaks volumes.

I may have rose colored glasses but my view of this defense is through statistics and reality.

[Pantherball]

The funniest thing is in all these arguments about defense, everyone fails to see how in ever game we lost the other team's D got mawled in yards by us.

Other D's were giving up 450-500 yards a game to us! How did they win with such pooty defenses? Again....thanks to our offense being the most inefficient offense in the league and their love for charity. They won, we lost.

The logic is broken and only works one way. Why doesn't this logic apply to all teams? Shouldn't they have lost if their defenses were worse than ours?

The only thing that's really simple and everyone can understand is this: 0-2 when 0 turnovers and we score in the 4th quarter to finish the game. 5-0 when we have turnovers and choke in the 4th quarter.

It really doesn't get any simpler than that.

[ItsPantone278]

As long as we score 30 I wont worry. (<--unintentional rhyme there; cool guy, I know)

[mav1234]

The best teams in the league have some of the worst defenses Pats and GB and Saints are worse than us...

what metric are you using for this? total yards? because total yards is virtually meaningless...

Other D's were giving up 450-500 yards a game to us! How did they win with such pooty defenses? Again....thanks to our offense being the most inefficient offense in the league and their love for charity. They won, we lost.

they won because they gave up fewer points... no matter how many yards our defense gives up or how many yards our offense gains, it comes down to scores.

[Floppin]

The funniest thing is in all these arguments about defense, everyone fails to see how in ever game we lost the other team's D got mawled in yards by us.

Other D's were giving up 450-500 yards a game to us! How did they win with such pooty defenses? Again....thanks to our offense being the most inefficient offense in the league and their love for charity. They won, we lost.

The logic is broken and only works one way. Why doesn't this logic apply to all teams? Shouldn't they have lost if their defenses were worse than ours?

The only thing that's really simple and everyone can understand is this: 0-2 when 0 turnovers and we score in the 4th quarter to finish the game. 5-0 when we have turnovers and choke in the 4th quarter.

It really doesn't get any simpler than that.

Herp Derp.

If we shore up our defense it won't matter that our offense is a little inefficient. The only way that you win with a poo defense is if your Offense plays next to flawless every week. You can't expect that from this team, for many reasons, and I'm not going to list them because you should know them.

We would have won every week if our defense could play consistently.