Fox likes backup QBs, but change possible

[Raskle]

OK after reading that, I am convinced that Gantt and Mr. Scott are the same guy. Or at least they are trading notes on a daily basis.

C'mon.. everyone knows Mr. Scot is Scott Fowler, not Darin Gantt.... duh!

(j/k)

[Spike]

The thought of Moore as the starting QB makes me throw up in my mouth a little. McCown just makes me a tad queesy, although no more queesy than Delhomme.

[Fiz]

am i the only one that thinks once fox goes, jake goes and vice versa?

[frash.exe]

A: I think we’ve got two good young quarterbacks right now, Josh McCown and Matty (Moore), who started late in the season two years ago. I think we’ve got too good young developmental guys. And what we do from there, I mean, things could even change from that. But I don’t think it’s like we’ve got a bunch of old veteran guys behind (Delhomme).

McCown turns 30 in July.

....reallll NFL spring chicken isn't he?

[SmootsDaddy89]

You can't expect Fox to keep track of trivial things like how old his players are.

[OneBadassCat]

Mr Scott pretty much nailed it . In Fox's eyes, McCown and Moore are the future.

Sounds like he is more confident with CJ at nickel than with our OL backups. Could be a hint that OL will be the target with our first pick in the 2nd round. (that is assuming Peppers is staying of course).

Herman Johnson

[Skew]

am i the only one that thinks once fox goes, jake goes and vice versa?

I think if Fox goes, Jake will be gone shortly afterwards. But I think Fox will stay after jake is gone if Fox can find a viable replacement.

Not sure if that will happen since I think this FO has not done a good job at evaluating QB talent. Been thinking they just lucked out when they got Jake. Not saying Jake is a HOFer, but consider all the other QBs brought in after Jake, their ability to judge QB talent should be in question.

So you are probible right here. If one goes, the other will soon follow.

[Mr. Scot]

I think if Fox goes, Jake will be gone shortly afterwards. But I think Fox will stay after jake is gone if Fox can find a viable replacement.

Not sure if that will happen since I think this FO has not done a good job at evaluating QB talent. Been thinking they just lucked out when they got Jake. Not saying Jake is a HOFer, but consider all the other QBs brought in after Jake, their ability to judge QB talent should be in question.

So you are probible right here. If one goes, the other will soon follow.

Pro talent in general hasn't been their strong suit honestly. Hence why I'm a longtime critic of Mark Koncz. I'd love to see a Don Gregory type replacement there, but I'm not expecting one anytime soon.

[panthers55]

Pro talent in general hasn't been their strong suit honestly. Hence why I'm a longtime critic of Mark Koncz. I'd love to see a Don Gregory type replacement there, but I'm not expecting one anytime soon.

I would agree that we haven't had the best luck with quarterbacks, but the Panthers are pretty good at finding talented guys who were released by their old team due to cap or injury and reclaiming them. Last year we reacquired Moose and picked up Brayton and Vincent who all started and were productive for cheap after they were discarded by other teams. We missed with Hackett and Johnson seems like a disappointment but how many teams wouldn't be happy finding a handful of starters like we did last year.

[top dawg]

Well, Mr. Scot and company (i.e., Scottie's faction), I am going to leave the jury still out whether one half of the M&M is our future QB. But, it would seem to me if McCown was all that, then he would have already landed a starting job as he really isn't a spring chicken. I mean he really hasn't done anything. It's not like we're talking about Kurt Warner or even Kerry Collins here, McCown probably could have just as easily been coaching a mini mite league somewhere (if you know what I'm saying). Moore has shown some promise, but is still an unkown, so he's nothing to get too excited about at the moment.

Fox and Hurney have done an admirable job with the talent that they have brought in here lately, as you can obviously see it at different positions on the field (e.g., Marshall, Johnson, and even Jarrett), but I haven't quite seem that same promise at QB, which of course is arguably the most important position on the field.

You might disagree, but Fox is trying to play Belichik's game of QB recruitment, draft and development, but it ain't working from what I see. The Steelers seemed to be trying to play that tune as well, but they didn't WIN the big one until they acquired a star QB. Even Baltimore has seen the light. Yeah the Ravens got lucky one year with their stellar defense pretty much carrying the day, but they have mostly have taken what they'd consider early exits out the playoffs. Disagree if you like, but Flacco is a guy that they can build around.

Trying to build around ,arguably, second string talent at QB will probably get you've what we've gotten.

I know one thing, I am not going to raise my expectations at the thought of McCown or Moore at this point.

[Fireball77]

The Ravens drafted Kyle Boller in the first round in 2003 only to have to do it all over again in 2008 with Flacco. They brought in a washed up old vet who was ALSO a former 1st round pick in between (McNair). And Flacco wasn't actually that good in the playoff games, he merely hit a few big plays. I don't say that to criticize him per se because I wouldn't expect too much of a rookie QB in a playoff atmosphere...but merely to point out that he wasn't the big thing that propelled them in that series.

Look at Jeff Fisher having to go to a bazillion year old vet even to get average efficient QB play while his first rounder languishes on the bench. Look at the teams where they have OFFENSIVE guys in charge like Minny for example. Chilly had to trade to Houston for their backup to have what he considered viable alternatives at the positions even though his own handpicked guy was there (Jackson). Gruden could never find a guy he liked since Gannon (NOT a first rounder by the way, but a pretty darned good QB in his day). Vermeil won bunches of games and even a SB with...yeah backup/late draftee types (Warner, Green). Mike Holmgren never drafted a QB in the first that I know of, he developed late rounder Hasselbeck into the type of QB he wanted, and quite well I think. And then there's Whisenhunt...going to the grizzly undrafted vet because HIS first rounder hasn't shown him anything. The list goes on and on.

The point to be emphasized from your post, IMO, is it isn't getting the QB in late rounds or via FA or trade that's the big issue...it is finding the right GUY...period. It's the single most difficult poisition to evaluate,IMO and many, many, many, teams have had multiple failures. I tend to think the ones who get a good one have a bit more "luck" to their choices than vice versa.

[Raskle]

I like Flacco... something about that kid that makes me think he's gonna be damn good.

[Fireball77]

He's calm.. and a bit blase..I like that too.

[rayzor]

I like Flacco... something about that kid that makes me think he's gonna be damn good.

He's the best thing that has happened to their offense in.....forever?

How long and how many QBs did it take to find him?

Of course a lot of the credit has to go to the new coach(es). Harbaugh and Cameron really allowed for a lot more to be done. Get them some better receivers and get rid of McGahee (or at least rely on Rice and McClain more) and you have yourself a pretty decent team.

Rex is gone now, though, so just when the offense gets to a point where it isn't a liability, the brains behind the defense takes off.