Hurney (you knew this thread was coming)

[Peppers90 NC]

The biggest reason we still need to fill so many holes right now comes down to Clausen, Edwards and Jarrett. High picks that haven't given us anything at this point.

Jarrett sucked yes, but who here at the time thought it was a bad pick? Dude had over 40 td's in college

[beastson]

Need a change. How we supposed to fly in a new direction with this mofo still in charge

Im starting to hate him like I hated Fox. His time is overdue

[R0CKnR0LLA]

As for the good...

Stewart at 13th overall when we already had a 1st round RB was NOT a good move. Not to mention there were better RBs at the bottom of the 1st, 2nd round and 3rd round that year.

Cam was not Hurneys call.

Hurney actually argued against trading for Olsen

[Actionman0z]

Im not defending hurney or our roster, but we have the 2nd most players that we've initally drafted remaining on our roster. I think just about every teams selections/draft history would look similar. About 50/50 on hit and miss.

[Fiz]

I just don't have the energy anymore.

[blackcatgrowl]

As for the good...

Stewart at 13th overall when we already had a 1st round RB was NOT a good move. Not to mention there were better RBs at the bottom of the 1st, 2nd round and 3rd round that year.

Good points.

Hurney actually argued against trading for Olsen

I wouldn't be surprised, but do you have a link?

Cam was not Hurneys call.

Now this would be a surprise... he sounded pretty sold on Cam right after his draft day. Got a reference on this too? I'd love to read it.

[PantherBrew]

I just don't have the energy anymore.

Please rocket.

Just one more, they need you.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Here's the most damning thing about Hurney. Since we lost to Seattle in the NFC Championship Game:

2006: 8-8 (missed playoffs)

2007: 7-9 (missed playoffs)

2008: 12-4 (lost 1st round of the playoffs)

2009: 8-8 (missed playoffs)

2010: 2-14 (missed playoffs, worst team in the league)

2011: currently 1-5 (missed playoffs, tied for 4th worst team in the league record-wise)

How many "good" GMs can you guys think of that presided over and put the players on the team that have had 5 out of the past 6 seasons be utter disappointments? We're 38-49 since 2005 and that includes a 12-5 season that makes it look better than it is.

John Fox is gone and yet the talent on the roster is even worse than it was last year on defense and special teams. How can you look at all of this and come to any conclusion other than the fact that Marty Hurney is a failure of a GM? You don't even have to list all of Hurney's specific failures like Everette Brown and resigning Jake Delhomme after the Arizona game, just looking at the records should tell the story.

[Fiz]

Please rocket.

Just one more, they need you.

I've done this same goddamn thread so many times. I'm not going I waste the time for the latest white noise peasant.

Someone just pull up my last post about and change the insults to this dude.

[scarface]

Drafting Cam alone is worth at least 10 goods.

[blackcatgrowl]

Here's the most damning thing about Hurney. Since we lost to Seattle in the NFC Championship Game:

2006: 8-8 (missed playoffs)

2007: 7-9 (missed playoffs)

2008: 12-4 (lost 1st round of the playoffs)

2009: 8-8 (missed playoffs)

2010: 2-14 (missed playoffs, worst team in the league)

2011: currently 1-5 (missed playoffs, tied for 4th worst team in the league record-wise)

How many "good" GMs can you guys think of that presided over and put the players on the team that have had 5 out of the past 6 seasons be utter disappointments? We're 38-49 since 2005 and that includes a 12-5 season that makes it look better than it is.

John Fox is gone and yet the talent on the roster is even worse than it was last year on defense and special teams. How can you look at all of this and come to any conclusion other than the fact that Marty Hurney is a failure of a GM? You don't even have to list all of Hurney's specific failures like Everette Brown and resigning Jake Delhomme after the Arizona game, just looking at the records should tell the story.

Yeah, but to play devil's advocate... the HC is always going to take the blame for the record. The GM doesn't... and only when there is years of complete failure does a GM's neck be put in the noose.

[Peppers90 NC]

Too many assumptions going on in this thread, no one here is behind the scenes to know what is really going on. So if you want to argue either way without really knowing, carry on.

[Ricky Spanish]

Here's the most damning thing about Hurney. Since we lost to Seattle in the NFC Championship Game:

2006: 8-8 (missed playoffs)

2007: 7-9 (missed playoffs)

2008: 12-4 (lost 1st round of the playoffs)

2009: 8-8 (missed playoffs)

2010: 2-14 (missed playoffs, worst team in the league)

2011: currently 1-5 (missed playoffs, tied for 4th worst team in the league record-wise)

How many "good" GMs can you guys think of that presided over and put the players on the team that have had 5 out of the past 6 seasons be utter disappointments? We're 38-49 since 2005 and that includes a 12-5 season that makes it look better than it is.

John Fox is gone and yet the talent on the roster is even worse than it was last year on defense and special teams. How can you look at all of this and come to any conclusion other than the fact that Marty Hurney is a failure of a GM? You don't even have to list all of Hurney's specific failures like Everette Brown and resigning Jake Delhomme after the Arizona game, just looking at the records should tell the story.

Holy christ I actually agree with SMF...

[Jbro]

Jenkins is not to blame for leaving. I had many druken nights out with him where he vented. Also have some great stories including my wife cussing him out at 3 am on my phone.