Some fear Luck could make a power play

[Floppin]

So the Huddle got what it wanted, instead of winning games 20-17, we'd like to lose them 35-28.

Instead of building a winning team for Cam, we built an offensive juggernaut to make him the standard for rookie QBs entering the league and while doing so we handcuffed our franchise for the next 4-5 years salary cap wise.

What do you expect Cam to do with an offensive scheme that sent DA to the probowl, two pass catching TEs, a top 10 receiver, and the best RBs in the game?

What do you expect Dalton to do with a good defense and a young offense?

Yet you praise one for doing what is expected and discredit another for doing the same thing.

I'm not discrediting Dalton anywhere, find a post that I've made where I did that. Find a post where I've stated that he hasn't had a better overall year so far than Cam? I'm just pointing out that you basing rookie QB success solely on wins is stupid at best.

[Camdemonium]

How about changing the fortunes of a franchise? How about overall impact on a franchise?

He turned them from 4-12 to 4-2 so far. He's made them forget about that Carson Palmer debacle. He's gotten them an extra first rounder and possibly two with his play.

Not just wins, REAL impact on a franchise in need.

[The Saltman]

How about changing the fortunes of a franchise? How about overall impact on a franchise?

He turned them from 4-12 to 4-2 so far. He's made them forget about that Carson Palmer debacle. He's gotten them an extra first rounder and possibly two with his play.

Not just wins, REAL impact on a franchise in need.

He has not done that all on his own.

He has a team, a young team with a great defense and he has a good head on his shoulders.

he has made his fair share of mistakes too but when his defense had to bail his ass out it happened.

When has that ever happened this year with us?

[Floppin]

You don't think that Cam is changing the fortunes of this franchise? You think that if they shore up the team that they will continue to lose 12-15 games a year? All of that crap you just mentioned is based on good decisions/luck by their FO. You're reaching to make your argument and it's kind of silly.

[The_Mango55]

You know who is clearly the rookie of the year right now? Randal Cobb. He's helped lead his team to an undefeated start after all!

/camdemonium logic

[Floppin]

It's pretty cool that Dalton is also negotiating trades as well, I didn't know he was the defacto GM over there.

[Camdemonium]

Never realized how much you guys hate gingers. He didn't do that stuff alone, but he allowed his team to do it. You think the owner trades Palmer with someone like Clausen under center?

We're getting way off target here with Dalton, but I understand why you guys take it so personal when another rookie is doing nice things somewhere else.

It comes down to how you define success for a rookie. If you like big yards and pretty runs, you define it as Cam. If you want wins, you define it as Big Ben, Ryan, Flacco, Ryan, Dalton.

[The Saltman]

Never realized how much you guys hate gingers. He didn't do that stuff alone, but he allowed his team to do it. You think the owner trades Palmer with someone like Clausen under center?

We're getting way off target here with Dalton, but I understand why you guys take it so personal when another rookie is doing nice things somewhere else.

It comes down to how you define success for a rookie. If you like big yards and pretty runs, you define it as Cam. If you want wins, you define it as Big Ben, Ryan, Flacco, Ryan, Dalton.

lol back to your usual trolling TRD self.

Nice one. Where did me or floppin say that we hate dalton?

your hate for cam is as bad as the slurping going on for cam.

[GritsRgreat]

If Dalton was a Panther they would be screaming a different tune no doubt.

[Camdemonium]

I don't hate Cam, I've given him a ton of credit and think he's exceeded all expectations.

You don't have to say you hate him, it's implied by your comments in this and other threads. (maybe not you specifically)

They are both off to successful rookie campaigns, I just disagree with what is going to be the new standard and what Mr. Luck will be trying to achieve when he comes into the NFL, if he decides to do so.

I also think it's funny how he's treated when he has done nothing wrong and yet when Cam was questioned for real issues, issues you've even acknowledged as being real just a few posts ago, people go apeshit in defense of him, yet they won't admit it's out of pure hatred because he was really their number one choice the whole time.

Just some observations.

[The Saltman]

anyways im done with this thread.

it seems like me and you do this every month. yes TWSS

[Camdemonium]

That leads people to being overly sensative and fragile when it comes to any perceived criticism of Cam or praise of another QB.

It's like the ghey guy that works out too much to prove he's not ghey. People defend Cam too hard because they know he's the handjob and now they feel bad about it and want to let others know, "Hey guys, I'm okay with the handjob now that she said she wasn't gonna blow me."

[Camdemonium]

Then that turns into "Hell no, I never wanted that blowjob anyway, have you seen that girls teeth?"

[The Saltman]

It's like the ghey guy that works out too much to prove he's not ghey. People defend Cam too hard because they know he's the handjob and now they feel bad about it and want to let others know, "Hey guys, I'm okay with the handjob now that she said she wasn't gonna blow me."

lol what?