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Beck to start for the Redskins


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Trent Williams and their starting left guard out?

CHARLES JOHNSON OM NOM NOM NOM

well if i am right Johnson plays on the right side and so does the other Redskins tackle Jammal Brown. so unless Brown moves to the left then i dont see him having a big day because Brown isnt bad, the tackle opposite of Brown will be the weakspot.

Agree with the sexy rexy analysis, he is either good or bad. As for Beck what is average?? Average for NFL starters or average for 30 year old career backups who replaces a starter who have a passer rating in the 20s.

i just think he's going to be average, i dont see him being as good as Rex can be or being as awful as Rex can be.

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Don't know how you could know much about him other than preseason which counts for nothing.
Preseason counts for nothing but skillset is apparent regardless.

If you weren't to busy creatig strawman arguments you would realize that I'm talking about skillset.

But, how would you know, you haven't seen the guy play since 2007.

As for your analysis regarding his arm strength here is what they said about him.

Straight forward and empirical:

First, at the combine, John Beck's ball speed was a tremendous 61.1 mph, according to http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2007-03-07-john-beck_N.htm"]this USA Today article. That was second best among all QBs who threw at the Combine (Russell and Quinn did not throw)

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2007-03-07-john-beck_N.htm

http://www.thephinsider.com/2007/5/2/0358/03650

Anyways here's AA:

The ever-loquacious Anthony Armstrong had a couple of additional observations from yesterday's practice that seemed worth passing along.

First, on what he thought was the highlight of the morning practice:

"The highlight of practice," he mused. "Hmmm. John Beck was rolling to his left and had a hell of a pass to Brandon Banks. He looks like he's getting pretty comfortable in the offense in the short couple days that he's been here. We've been saying that he does have a live arm, but it's a whole 'nother quarterback so we've gotta get used to him throwing the ball too, and work on it from there."

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/08/11/two-more-practice-notes-from-anthony-armstrong/

“I think he’s a good guy,” Davis said, which likely isn’t the first sentence of Beck’s resume. “You can tell he’s just really hungry, man. He had an opportunity, I guess, in Miami a few times and then had to wait. And the quarterback position’s hard, because sometimes you’ve got to wait your turn for a while, and sometimes you never get that second chance. And I think right now this is his second chance, and he's been taking it on, working hard. I’ve seen him. He looks a lot better. He’s been throwing with Drew Brees, I think, and he looks a lot better when I’ve seen him the second time.”

thecooleyzone

Just done throwing with beck. Ran about 40 routes at loco high. Put on a little show for the cars on dry mill. http://tinyurl.com/4ywsegq

I thought he looke awesome! Throwing shirtless!

18 Jul

9. Tight end Fred Davis comparing Rex Grossman vs. Beck: “Rex is more comfortable now. He’s been in the offense for so long, you can tell in his poise in the pocket. But Beck does well. He has a strong arm so he can make plays too. Hard decision.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/08/redskins-notes-beck-update#ixzz1V8Y16as4

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I've been keeping track of the players that comment on Beck, but especially about arm strength since the media reports seem to contradict the player comments.(not to mention the radar gun at the combine)

Yeah, I know me team.

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CJ is the DE on the right side and Trent Williams is the LT so they would be facing each other. the RT will not face the RDE unless he moved to the LDE spot.

i thought i seen him play the other side, oh well, i am still thinking that the Redskins may move Brown to the left anyway because he's played the left before.

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Preseason counts for nothing but skillset is apparent regardless.

If you weren't to busy creatig strawman arguments you would realize that I'm talking about skillset.

But, how would you know, you haven't seen the guy play since 2007.

Straight forward and empirical:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2007-03-07-john-beck_N.htm

http://www.thephinsider.com/2007/5/2/0358/03650

Anyways here's AA:

http://blog.redskins.com/2010/08/11/two-more-practice-notes-from-anthony-armstrong/

thecooleyzone

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/08/redskins-notes-beck-update#ixzz1V8Y16as4

---------- Post added August-15th-2011 at 05:54 PM ----------

I've been keeping track of the players that comment on Beck, but especially about arm strength since the media reports seem to contradict the player comments.(not to mention the radar gun at the combine)

Yeah, I know me team.

Are you serious???? You have just lost any shred of credibility if you are going to tell me that preseason tells you anything. Anybody looks good when you are playing scrubs and there is no game-planning. Even then he had 1 TD and 2 TDs playing against scrubs and his passer rating was in the 70s. What kind of skill set is that????? Sucky?????? HIs longest pass in all his starts in Miami was 22 yards. Last week it was 32 and that wasn't all in the air.

Again if he is so good why had he not sniffed the field in 4 years since he was awful???

Now lets move on to your supposed expert analyses about his skills sets.

First of all being the second best quarterback in the 2007 combine was a lot like saying you are the fastest fat kid or the best quarterback out of a bunch of no bodies. The two best guys were Russell and Quinn and they have done what??? Oh yeah, next to nothing but it was a lot more than Beck. If he can throw so hard why did every analysis from 2007 say he had good speed on short and intermediate passes but lacked touch on the deep ball. They said he was a great backup in a west coast offense. The same thing they are saying about Clausen. Does he throw hard????

Moving on.

So now we have articles from homer writers and players saying he can throw the ball???

You went a long way to say nothing. How is any of that objective or factual other than he practiced. What is a person going to say, he looked good in practice but can't throw a deep ball? His arm strength is suspect??? Of course not.

Why didn't you include an article from his mother saying he was a good boy growing up and how he always had a good arm.

You searched since last night and this is the best you could come up with. I guess you are such a homer who just gobbles up all that crap you actually think that it proves your point.

The only thing it proves is that there is so little evidence of his skills since he hasn't started a game in 4 years, that you have to publish what a teammate said in practice as proof he is any good.

My proof is simple. If he was good throwing a deep ball then why didn't he last week??? If he was so good why has he not started in 4 years??? If he so good why did it take a horrendous outing by Grossman to elevate him to starting??

What you are is a big time homer who is lapping up every tidbit on Beck in the hope he doesn't suck and you don't fall further back from the rest of the division. But saying it is true doesn't make it true.

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The redskins have given up the 2nd least points this year and we have given up the most (averages are slightly skewed because of byes).

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_SCORED&tabSeq=2&season=2011&role=OPP&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=TOTAL_YARDS&qualified=true

I know they haven't played spectacular teams but still.

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Are you serious???? You have just lost any shred of credibility if you are going to tell me that preseason tells you anything.
Anyone that knows football knows how to assess physical skillset.

And physical skillset is always evident preseason or not.

Aside from your lack of knowledge your needlessly adversarial and confrontational nature of your posts already removed any credibility you had.

Not to mention you lack the courtesy to actual address the points in you responses without resorting to false claims, innaccurate claims and strawmen arguments.

This whole argument began because you misquoted me.

Don't forget that:

This is where your false claims begin.

Notice no where in my post do I make the chief claim you argue against.

And with each post you just add more and more false claims and strawman arguments.

Now lets move on to your supposed expert analyses about his skills sets.
Another strawman where did I claim my opinion was expert analyses?

First of all being the second best quarterback in the 2007 combine <---False claim
This is a clearly BS argument.

If he can throw so hard why did every analysis from 2007 say he had good speed on short and intermediate passes but lacked touch on the deep ball.
LoL, its no longer a question of 'if'.

I made this statement:

Hmm.

I think the difference in arm strength was one of the more evident differences between Beck and Rex.

Beck throws with much more velocity, its one of the more prevelant misconceptions about Beck he's actually had one of the strongest arms at the combine the year he was drafted.

You challenged my statement with this:

As for your analysis regarding his arm strength here is what they said about him.
Citing what 'they' said about his arm strength.

Being measured by radar gun at the combine isn't opinion or what 'they' said its empirical, scientific fact.

Maybe you are unaware of it before but I posted the link and an portion of an article that mentioned Beck's arm strength as measured by radar gun at the combine.

If you can't man up and admit that don't bother replying to this post.

Beck's ball speed of 61.1 mph

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2007-03-07-john-beck_N.htm

For comparison here's some other radar gun numbers of strong armed QBs:

Jay Cutler 60 mph

Colin Kaepernick 59 mph

Joe Flacco 58 mph

Ryan Mallett 58 mph

Cam Newton 56 mph

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2007-03-07-john-beck_N.htm

For comparison here's some other radar gun numbers of strong armed QBs:

Jay Cutler 60 mph

Colin Kaepernick 59 mph

Joe Flacco 58 mph

Ryan Mallett 58 mph

Cam Newton 56 mph

Of all the garbage you have spouted this is the only shred of evidence you can make regarding his arm strength. I discount reports by teammates as blatant homerism. Lets for the sake of argument assume it is true and he did throw a ball at 60 miles an hour at least one time at the combine 4 years ago.

Why then do you suppose he didn't complete a pass beyond 22 yards in 110 attempts in 2007. If he has such a gun arm, why then did the experts say he doesn't have the arm strength to throw it deep.

Why is he considered best for a WCO instead of vertical passing game?

Maybe he has a strong arm but no touch on the ball?? Maybe he can sling it short but for some reason can't sling it deep. Since you are the supposed expert why do you think if he has such a great deep ball and strong arm why don't they have him throw it deep. Newton who supposedly throws it with less velocity throws a great deep ball and can put it on a rope 40-50 yards down the field.

I did read one article which suggested much like Clausen he has a low delivery which makes his 6'2" height functionally even shorter and would make it much harder to throw it deep without changing his mechanics and release point which affects his accuracy. As the redskin expert, what seems to be the problem???

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We better beat all living hell out of Washington. There is a Foreskins fan down the hall from me. All I hear every week is blind hate towards Cam (still...) and how much better the Foreskins are than the Panthers and how they would prove it.

There is no reason we can't win. Eliminate simple mental errors and take care of the football, and we win...as long as the defense can get some 3 and outs. If there is one thing I have learned from this team it is this. The more we have the ball, the better our chances. Green Bay, we had the ball A LOT. Atlanta, we had the ball for a LOOONG time on most drives. If we have TOP numbers in our favor, we put ourselves in a position to win. The defense just has to get Cam and Co. the ball back early and often.

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