Beck to start for the Redskins

[panthers55]

Beck is more talented then Grossman, better arm, more mobility less likely to piss himself and start tossing INTs like candy on halloween.

Even during preseason Beck was more efficient then Rex.

I think Beck starting is an upgrade from Rex but it will be his first start since 2007 so there's likely gonna be a good deal of rust.

It is widely known that Shanahan wanted Beck to start but he got injured and outplayed by Grossman. It was speculated that it was only a matter of time before he got the job. In the preseason Beck threw 1 TD and 2 Ints and had a passer rating of 74 while Grossman had a passer rating of 92 and threw 2 Tds and I Int.

Yeah Grossman was awful in the Philly game where he threw 4 Ints but up until that time he had thrown more TDs than Ints in preseason and during the year. By comparison, Beck for his career has thrown 1 TD:3 Ints. I don't know how you can say someone is better when they are 30 years old, have 4 total starts in his career which was in 2007 and has a career passer rating in the 60s.

[Shotgun]

Beck didnt win the job Grossman lost it. Fug Beck, fug Wash, fug the skins.

[edromeo]

It is widely known that Shanahan wanted Beck to start but he got injured and outplayed by Grossman. It was speculated that it was only a matter of time before he got the job. In the preseason Beck threw 1 TD and 2 Ints and had a passer rating of 74 while Grossman had a passer rating of 92 and threw 2 Tds and I Int.

Ah, if only the stats told the whole story.

I'm not gonna try to convince you, but I have no reason to blow smoke.

I watched every snap and in my honest opinion Beck was better then Rex.

And according to the coaching staff the competition was very close.

Grossman won the job but it was by a nose hair.

Yeah Grossman was awful in the Philly game where he threw 4 Ints but up until that time he had thrown more TDs than Ints in preseason and during the year. By comparison, Beck for his career has thrown 1 TD:3 Ints.

Again, stats lie Rex played one good game against the Giants and regresed with each game.

If you like stats keep in mind that Rex has averaged 2 turnovers a game since he became the QB.

I don't know how you can say someone is better when they are 30 years old, have 4 total starts in his career which was in 2007 and has a career passer rating in the 60s.

To be clear I didn't say that Beck was better I said that Beck was more talented and Beck is more talented.

But its Beck's play that will determine if he's better or not.

[Happy Panther]

Agreed

[panthers55]

Ah, if only the stats told the whole story.

I'm not gonna try to convince you, but I have no reason to blow smoke.

I watched every snap and in my honest opinion Beck was better then Rex.

And according to the coaching staff the competition was very close.

Grossman won the job but it was by a nose hair.

Again, stats lie Rex played one good game against the Giants and regresed with each game.

If you like stats keep in mind that Rex has averaged 2 turnovers a game since he became the QB.

To be clear I didn't say that Beck was better I said that Beck was more talented and Beck is more talented.

But its Beck's play that will determine if he's better or not.

Somehow nothing in his career agrees with your assessment. He will go down as a supposedly talented guy who couldn't beat out Leo Clemons or Henne in Miami (nevermind his passer rating of 62) couldn't beat out Flacco in Baltimore and couldn't beat out Grossman in Washington.

And I love how stats lie when they don't agree with your assessment. Who are we to believe, the facts which are indisputable or your opinion based on what you saw on TV.

Yeah I wonder if Beck can take you along on his next contract talks. I am sure you can sway management when they pull out the numbers and stats by telling them that stats lie and you saw he was good on television.

[MWCarolina]

The Skins missing two OL, their TE, and I think their FB may mean that they don't gel that well. Consistency on the OL is important. Beck hasn't even started a game in like 3 seasons, too.

the Skins dont need Cooley, he's a loss, but not as big. Fred Davis can play. in my book he should be re-signed RIGHT NOW to a fat Redskins contract that they are known for giving. the o-line will miss Trent Williams, i think the guard will be fine, losing Williams will sting though. the TE and guard, i think they should be ok.

[MWCarolina]

as for the Beck vs. Grossman deal. Beck is more of the unknown, unproven guy. you know what you get from Grossman, he's basically like Jake was to the panthers. you either get good Rex or bad Rex and when it's bad Rex, it's bad. Rex played well vs the Giants and while he's won games, he's not been great. his game vs. the Rams was not good. he tried to give the Rams the game and lucky for him the Rams stink. he played ok at first vs. Dallas, but when they lost the lead, Grossman wasnt clutch and fumbled the ball away. in the Eagles game, he lost the game for the Redskins with his picks and even when the Redskins got a gift from Vince Young, he gave it right back. Beck seems to not have the arm that grossman had, BUT he seems to take care of the ball more. i expect Beck to be more average than good.

[panthers55]

as for the Beck vs. Grossman deal. Beck is more of the unknown, unproven guy. you know what you get from Grossman, he's basically like Jake was to the panthers. you either get good Rex or bad Rex and when it's bad Rex, it's bad. Rex played well vs the Giants and while he's won games, he's not been great. his game vs. the Rams was not good. he tried to give the Rams the game and lucky for him the Rams stink. he played ok at first vs. Dallas, but when they lost the lead, Grossman wasnt clutch and fumbled the ball away. in the Eagles game, he lost the game for the Redskins with his picks and even when the Redskins got a gift from Vince Young, he gave it right back. Beck seems to not have the arm that grossman had, BUT he seems to take care of the ball more. i expect Beck to be more average than good.

Agree with the sexy rexy analysis, he is either good or bad. As for Beck what is average?? Average for NFL starters or average for 30 year old career backups who replaces a starter who have a passer rating in the 20s.

[Marguide]

Honest question for the resident skins fans...what are their primary vulnerabilities on defense? Player-wise or scheme-wise, what are the weaknesses?

[edromeo]

Somehow nothing in his career agrees with your assessment. He will go down as a supposedly talented guy who couldn't beat out Leo Clemons or Henne in Miami (nevermind his passer rating of 62) couldn't beat out Flacco in Baltimore and couldn't beat out Grossman in Washington.

Have you ever seen Beck play?

You strike me as someone who's just repeating sound bites.

Beck will 'go down' based on how he plays this year.

I could name a litany or QBs and NFL players that aren't defined by how their careers began.

The fact that you mention that Beck couldn't beat out Flacco is a clear indication that you really know nothing about Beck.

He was never in competition with Flacco.

Flacco was a 1st round draft pick, Beck signed during the preseason.

Its not even a sensible or reasonable expectation.

But somehow in your head that's a reason to assume that Beck can't play.

All you're doing is judging a player sight unseen based on cirmcumstances and stats and sound bites.

I must say that's a great way to form an opinion or make an assessment.

And I love how stats lie when they don't agree with your assessment. Who are we to believe, the facts which are indisputable or your opinion based on what you saw on TV.

You're the one that mentioned stats not me.

The notion that stats are indisputable is kinda silly.

Everyone that knows football knows that stats can lie but in game performance on tape doesn't.

And if you have watched a snap of Beck you would agree with my assessment of Beck skillset.

I spoke of skillset you spoke of stats, the irony is you make no mention of Rex's average of 2 turnovers per game.

Or you could just admit that you jumped to conclusion when you read my post and glossed over the word more talented.

You must be Rex's bud or something.

[edromeo]

Honest question for the resident skins fans...what are their primary vulnerabilities on defense? Player-wise or scheme-wise, what are the weaknesses?

ILB Rocky McIntosh struggles in coverage and isn't stout against the run straight at him.

He's a good pursuit and chase player though.

DeAngelo Hall is a poorman's Asante Samuel he'll gamble, he'll jump routes but he can be had w/ double moves.

Our run defense isn't as stout as the stats show.

Against a non-spread formation our goto get off the field calls on defense are zero blitz and fake zero blitz where we drop out into Cover 2.

But, our zero blitz almost always forces a quick throw and regularly creates a free rusher.

[edromeo]

Beck seems to not have the arm that grossman had, BUT he seems to take care of the ball more. i expect Beck to be more average than good.

Hmm.

I think the difference in arm strength was one of the more evident differences between Beck and Rex.

Beck throws with much more velocity, its one of the more prevelant misconceptions about Beck he's actually had one of the strongest arms at the combine the year he was drafted.

I expect Beck to make some mistakes due to inexperience.

But, I also expect Beck to be more mobile and make more plays with his legs in the face of pressure and to make more plays in the bootleg play-action passing game.

I expect Beck to be efficient his decision making and more careful with the football.

I think Beck will readily hit the checkdown instead of trying to force the ball downfield.

[panthers55]

Have you ever seen Beck play?

You strike me as someone who's just repeating sound bites.

Beck will 'go down' based on how he plays this year.

I could name a litany or QBs and NFL players that aren't defined by how their careers began.

The fact that you mention that Beck couldn't beat out Flacco is a clear indication that you really know nothing about Beck.

He was never in competition with Flacco.

Flacco was a 1st round draft pick, Beck signed during the preseason.

Its not even a sensible or reasonable expectation.

But somehow in your head that's a reason to assume that Beck can't play.

All you're doing is judging a player sight unseen based on cirmcumstances and stats and sound bites.

I must say that's a great way to form an opinion or make an assessment.

You're the one that mentioned stats not me.

I spoke of skillset you spoke of stats, the irony is you make no mention of Rex's average of 2 turnovers per game.

Everyone that knows football knows that stats can lie but in game performance on tape doesn't.

You must be Rex's bud or something.

I did see Beck play in 2007 sanwiched between the great Cleo Lemons. He was awful.

As for Beck beating out Flacco you are right he was not in competition to be the starter. That is the point. From 2007 until this year no reasonable coach would consider him starter material. Shanahan seems to like him more than anyone would have a right to given his total lack of production. I wouls say he was a Seneca Wallace or Tavaris Jackson kind of guy but honestly he has no where near the production of either one of those guys. He started his career late andhas done little to nothing. I can't think of many guys who are still in the NFL at age 30 who have thrown fewer passes than he has. He may look good in practice and can make some plays but overall always seems to never play well enough to start more than a part of the season.

I am basing my opinion on the facts, his history and the fact that he has thrown a total of 110 passes in his career. Forgive me if it is hard to get much film on him exactly where would you look??? Perhaps his average to poor perfomances against 2nd and third stringers in preseason gives us all great perspective. We all know how teams gameplan in the preseason and how preseason performances are indicative of how a quarterback will play in the regular season.

What coaches film do you have access to?? And other than in 2007 when he sucked, exactly where would you find these enlightening tidbits? Truth is besides his short stint last week against Phiily there is no game film from actual regular season games since 2007. You must be confusing him with a quarterback who actually plays on Sundays.

But no need to go on and on since Sunday will be his first start since 2007 we can all see how amazing and talented he is.

[panthers55]

Hmm.

I think the difference in arm strength was one of the more evident differences between Beck and Rex.

Beck throws with much more velocity, its one of the more prevelant misconceptions about Beck he's actually had one of the strongest arms at the combine the year he was drafted.

I expect Beck to make some mistakes due to inexperience.

But, I also expect Beck to be more mobile and make more plays with his legs in the face of pressure and to make more plays in the bootleg play-action passing game.

I expect Beck to be efficient his decision making and more careful with the football.

I think Beck will readily hit the checkdown instead of trying to force the ball downfield.

Seems to me you must be his relative or publicist. Don't know how you could know much about him other than preseason which counts for nothing.

As for your analysis regarding his arm strength here is what they said about him.

Needs to add more bulk and strength to his frame to absorb punishment in the pocket and, even though he is able to move around the pocket, he is no threat running with the ball … Has good arm strength for the short-to-intermediate area, but realizes that he lacks the raw power to air the ball out consistently, keeping the game plan within his athletic talents … Lacks ideal height and valid speed, but makes up for it with good short-area avoid skills and a quick release to unleash the ball on time

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/406245

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/20141.html

POSITIVES: Intelligent passer who is accurate in the short and intermediate field. Stands strong in the pocket, poised under the rush and consistently finds the open wideout. Sells the ball fakes, looks off the safety and goes through receiver progressions.

NEGATIVES: Lacks the top deep arm. Over-aged prospect. ANALYSIS: A signal caller with excellent intangibles and field vision, Beck could effectively back up in a West Coast offense

Now I am sure you are a relative. You are the only one who thinks he has good velocity on anything but 15 yard passes or shorter.