Panthers moving to a 3-4??? Says McDerm

[CatMan72]

Actually, I think it has more to do with having more confidence in our LBs than we do our DTs.

My problem with this though... aren't we sort of getting tapped out on LBs due to injury?

Depends on who you consider a LB in a 3-4 scheme, the way I see it our 3-4 inside LB's are:

Connor

Gaither

T.Williams

Senn

Phillips

...and our 3-4 OLB's are:

Anderson

Norwood

Hardy

J. Williams

Applewhite

[ShutDwn]

McDermott is clearly new to the Panthers. He should have known the dangers of mentioning the 3-4 to Panther fans. This defense is already a tiny 4-3 right now.

I didn't read 11 pages, but I assume it went like:

WHAT THE fug WILL HAPPEN TO BEASON??? WHY'D WE PAY CJ ALL THE MONEYYYY???? WHERE IS EVERETT BROWNN?????

[carpanfan96]

McDermott is clearly new to the Panthers. He should have known the dangers of mentioning the 3-4 to Panther fans. This defense doesn't even have the size to play 4-3 right now.

I didn't read 11 pages, but I assume it went like:

WHAT THE fug WILL HAPPEN TO BEASON??? WHY'D WE PAY CJ ALL THE MONEYYYY???? WHERE IS EVERETT BROWNN?????

If you look up we are comparable to Pitt size wise. You would have to play Kearse as the NT though imo.

[panthers55]

I'm not sure about that, but it makes the #2 need in the draft a 3-4 tech DE. That is unless the team is confident that McClain and Hardy can fill those roles.

Other wise, I think they might ask Johnson to lose some weight, Hardy to gain some weight in the off season you'll see this next season.

RE - McClain/draft pick

NT - Kearse / Sua

LE - Hardy / FA

OLB - Johnson / Norwood

ILB - Beason / Gaithers

ILB - Anderson / Connor

OLB - FA or Draftpick/ Applewhite

Johnson will be a DT in a 3-4. He also goes inside some now to get a push at DT in the passing game. Hardy could be a 3-4 end but most likely would be an OLB who rushes most of the time like Harrison for Pittsburgh. We would need another 2 linebackers who are in the 250-260 range to play OLB. Beason and Connor could play ILB as could Gaithers and Thomas.

[NineOhTheRino]

you people are always putting the cart before the horse. I say learn how to tackle first.

[CatMan72]

My question is this,

Do you start Anderson at the other ILB spot or get rid of him? I'm not sure he would fit well as the other OLB in the 3-4. I mean it's worked for Pittsburgh having a smaller OLB on the opposite side as the bigger guy....so who knows.....

Just for a comment, compare Carolina's LB's size against Pitt.

Assuming that Johnson is one of the OLB.

You have Johnson 6-2 270 compared to Woodley 6-2 265

Beason 6-0 240 compared to Farrior 6-2 243

Connor 6-2 230 compared to Timmons 6-1 233

Anderson 6-2 235 compared to Harrison 6-0 242.

Dline would be McClain, Kearse, Hardy

McClain 6-2 296 compared to Smith 6-5 298

Kearse 6-5 325 compared to Hamton 6-1 325

Hardy 6-4 277 compared to Keisel 6-5 285

Not outlandish size wise as you would think, the question is will the players be able to run it effectively and fit with in it's style of play....

I'm thinking we would use CJ as a DE since he has the size and plays well against the run.

Hardy would be an OLB in the elephant role, like Mario Williams, which I think would suit him very well.

D-line would be: Fields, Fua, CJ with McClain as a backup DE and Kearse as the backup NT.

[carpanfan96]

Johnson will be a DT in a 3-4. He also goes inside some now to get a push at DT in the passing game. Hardy could be a 3-4 end but most likely would be an OLB who rushes most of the time like Harrison for Pittsburgh. We would need another 2 linebackers who are in the 250-260 range to play OLB. Beason and Connor could play ILB as could Gaithers and Thomas.

Watch the Atlanta game, they had Johnson as the OLB and Hardy as a DE in the 3-4 looks. Johnson compares more comparable to Woodley and most 3-4 OLB in the NFL then Hardy does.

[CatMan72]

Watch the Atlanta game, they had Johnson as the OLB and Hardy as a DE in the 3-4 looks. Johnson compares more comparable to Woodley and most 3-4 OLB in the NFL then Hardy does.

I just don't think Hardy could hold up as a DE in a 3-4 scheme down after down. He already has trouble playing the run as a 4-3 DE.

[carpanfan96]

I just don't think Hardy could hold up as a DE in a 3-4 scheme down after down. He already has trouble playing the run as a 4-3 DE.

I don't either but you also don't pay a 3-4 End 10 million a season, that's the OLB spot there. Too much of a waste on his talents and pay check to keep him as a 3-4 end. Hardy would have to bulk up big time and add 15 pounds of muscle if you ask me.

That's why I also say if the team does move to the 3-4 then DE becomes the second biggest need if ot the biggest unless the team really feels like McClain can play the role for them. In most cases unless Hardy beefs up, he's off the field in 3-4 packages

[Floppin]

I really don't understand why some of you guys are freaking out. Our defense hasn't been able to stop poo all year. We stopped the Falcons on drives, what, twice yesterday? For the whole game. The Falcons....who have sucked pretty hard overall this year.

If the coaching staff thinks that we have the staff to be more effective in a certain scheme then I'm all for it, it's not like our defense has been playing well enough for us to win. Some of you bitching about it being a disaster, we'd still be losing, what's the difference between losing and losing? If they are successful there's a potential gain here, but our defense playing out of the 4-3 primarily has been downright shitacular all season.

[Silent Majority]

We have DT's that can't play 1 gap in a 4-3, yet are going to magically be better in a 2 gap scheme? We have LB's (except JA) who can't get to the edges on run plays, yet they are going to be good enough to play deeper and cover? And LMAO@ those who keep mentioning Norwood. 4-3 base defense is the most basic scheme there is. If you can't EXECUTE in it, it's a personel issue. Switching schemes is pointless. Just get better at the damn 4-3, first.

[koolkatluke]

Plain and simple we don't have good LB's for the 4-3. No way do we have the right LB's for 3-4. Our LB's right now aren't fast can't cover and miss tackles. All are skills you need even before we talk about size of the outside Lb. Which we don't have to play a 3-4.

[Khaki Lackey]

Players are gonna start to get agitated by this poo Mcdermontt and Rivera are pulling.

Can't have that. We need them to stay nice and relaxed if they are going to continue this run of excellence.

[carpanfan96]

Also you never know, this move to the 3-4 might be to get Hardy off the field because of how poor he is at the run.

It could be that he ends up being the backup elephant OLB to Johnson.