Was the loss Cam's fault? Coming up on ESPN first take.

[pantherclaw]

So the qb throws for zero touchdowns, throws 3 interceptions, and it's the defense's fault?

That didn't fly when it was fox ball, but now that it's cam ball, he can do no wrong.

Great logic.

[Marguide]

So the qb throws for zero touchdowns, throws 3 interceptions, and it's the defense's fault?

That didn't fly when it was fox ball, but now that it's cam ball, he can do no wrong.

Great logic.

He is a fuggin rookie. A rookie. A rookie who is being asked to carry the team on his back. What the hell do you expect? A perfect performance every week?

So go ahead and pile on along with that great sage TRD and his new alt, or PF4L and his new alt, and join the ranks of the ignored.

[chef17]

He is a fuggin rookie. A rookie. A rookie who is being asked to carry the team on his back. What the hell do you expect? A perfect performance every week?

So go ahead and pile on along with that great sage TRD and his new alt, or PF4L and his new alt, and join the ranks of the ignored.

You do realize that his comment was directed at people who deflected all the blame from Cam right?

[Marguide]

You do realize that his comment was directed at people who deflected all the blame from Cam right?

I understood it perfectly.

[pantherclaw]

He is a fuggin rookie. A rookie. A rookie who is being asked to carry the team on his back. What the hell do you expect? A perfect performance every week?

So go ahead and pile on along with that great sage TRD and his new alt, or PF4L and his new alt, and join the ranks of the ignored.

!o[! Ignore me.

Believe me, i was/am pissed the defense allowed th saints to march down the field and score.

That wasn't the only reason the team lost.

And no where did i say i expect a perfect performance out of cam.

What ya gonna say that i said next?

Maybe it's you who should be ignored.

You're response to what i posted is typical of the idiots that are now the majority on this board. There is no such thing as a football discussion/debate..cause all you can do is over react.

Kudo's to you and your brothers.

[pantherclaw]

I understood it perfectly.

can promise, ya didn't.

[Marguide]

can promise, ya didn't.

Look, let's be rational. First of all, the last interception was as meaningful as a hail mary TD would be in garbage time, so forget that. Second, Cam did not pass for a TD, but you do remember the nice run he had for a TD, right?

My problem is this...a good running game and a good defense helps protect a young QB. In our case, for better or worse, our coaches are putting the success of the team on Cam's back. He is going to make mistakes.

No one is saying he was perfect. Hopefully no one is saying that he has made all the right decisions, because he hasn't. That is what you expect from a rookie, no matter how talented.

Ask yourself this question...if we were going to add new players to the team tomorrow, on which side of the ball would they be added? Answer that question honestly and then we can talk.

[footballisasport]

So the qb throws for zero touchdowns, throws 3 interceptions, and it's the defense's fault?

That didn't fly when it was fox ball, but now that it's cam ball, he can do no wrong.

Great logic.

Yep, those three ints with no supposed TDs really cause the Panthers the game....Talk about looking for another easy scape-goat instead of dealing with reality. I know see why u were a 2-14 team last year.

It seems many of u simply transfer blame from one weak link to another. Maybe it's time to face reality that putting a ridiculous amount of pressure on a rookie QB and the constant snide harping on his supposed inaccuracies and Ints isn't going to chance the fact that the Panthers are a team with a lot of issues and QB isn't one of them. If a QB who had a bad day every now and then was all the Panthers had to worry about then why are u 1-5 when ur QB is getting so much praise for his game play....hmmmm...Sounds to me as if many of u need to wake up.

[footballisasport]

Look, let's be rational. First of all, the last interception was as meaningful as a hail mary TD would be in garbage time, so forget that. Second, Cam did not pass for a TD, but you do remember the nice run he had for a TD, right?

My problem is this...a good running game and a good defense helps protect a young QB. In our case, for better or worse, our coaches are putting the success of the team on Cam's back. He is going to make mistakes.

No one is saying he was perfect. Hopefully no one is saying that he has made all the right decisions, because he hasn't. That is what you expect from a rookie, no matter how talented.

Ask yourself this question...if we were going to add new players to the team tomorrow, on which side of the ball would they be added? Answer that question honestly and then we can talk.

I honestly feel that a lot of fans here seem to have a band-aide mentality. All we need is this and we'd be fine. All we need is that and we'd be fine. When if u look at the team, the problem is more than just, a quick "if we just."

This team not only needs a stronger defense, but the pressure for Cam to deliver tds week in and out cannot be forming good habits with him. It's seems as if many of the fans have official shifted all of last years bad mindset into this new season. There is nothing wrong with the Panthers. If the coach and the QB can just get it right, we'd be a competitive team....Our defense is just a little weak. Our offense has good players. It's the QB's job to get it right all the time. Talk about spoiling a team.

I watched the Jets defense hold the Dolphines to two fieldgoals in last nights 24-6 win. Do any of u sincerely believe the Panthers defense could do the same where the offense would just need to put up 17 points to win?

[ProBowler]

He is a fuggin rookie. A rookie. A rookie who is being asked to carry the team on his back. What the hell do you expect? A perfect performance every week?

So go ahead and pile on along with that great sage TRD and his new alt, or PF4L and his new alt, and join the ranks of the ignored.

Everyone knows that so please stop repeating it. That doesn't change the fact the rookie's 2 turnovers and inability to score in the 4th quarter or on most drives is the main reason for our losses. Period.

That's what you fail to understand. We know he's making mistakes because he is a rookie. We get that! You don't get that that those mistakes are the main reason we are losings these games, NOT the defense.

Since when have turnovers stopped being the next most important thing to scoring? Since when has any side of the ball, yards gained or yards given up, become more important than turnovers?

Not to mention where they were caused. One in the endzone, and one inside our own 40 in the 4th quarter. That will kill you every time especially if you can't score points in the 4th to make up for it or on 4 consecutive drives. I don't see any defense out there averaging 4 turnovers a game to make up for that. I do see top 5 offenses averaging 30 points a game which is what we should be doing.

[The_Mango55]

PF4l, I mean probowler, the reason we have the 16th ranked D in total yardage and the 28th in points allowed has little to do with the offense. It's actually because we are the 4th worst in the NFL in forcing 4th downs, and we're terrible at holding teams to FGs in the red zone. We're also one of the most penalized defenses in the NFL.

[Peppers90 NC]

0 touchdowns (passing) and 3 interceptions.

Say what you wat about the defense, but that is a poor qb performance by any standard.

The last int was a hail mary on the last play, 3 does sound worse than 2. Can we keep some of these stats in perspective? It really had nothing to do with the outcome.

[teeray]

Everyone knows that so please stop repeating it. That doesn't change the fact the rookie's 2 turnovers and inability to score in the 4th quarter or on most drives is the main reason for our losses. Period.

That's what you fail to understand. We know he's making mistakes because he is a rookie. We get that! You don't get that that those mistakes are the main reason we are losings these games, NOT the defense.

Since when have turnovers stopped being the next most important thing to scoring? Since when has any side of the ball, yards gained or yards given up, become more important than turnovers?

Not to mention where they were caused. One in the endzone, and one inside our own 40 in the 4th quarter. That will kill you every time especially if you can't score points in the 4th to make up for it or on 4 consecutive drives. I don't see any defense out there averaging 4 turnovers a game to make up for that. I do see top 5 offenses averaging 30 points a game which is what we should be doing.

PF4L...errrrr ProBowler. Those things happen. There are turnovers. There are short fields sometimes. There are times our offense will go three and out. Even more so with a rookie QB.

The problem is our defense has left the offense with no room for error.

As I said earlier, FGs are wins with how explosive this offense is. You don't have to completely shut them down. Just keep them out of the endzone and we win. We are giving up more TDs than FGs.

Think about this. They had 7 possessions and scored on 5 of them. If we held them to field goals instead of TDs they score 15 points. We win!!

And I noticed how you decided to ignore my question from my last post. 5 scores in 7 possessions 4 of which are TDs, no three and outs, and no turnovers. Is that a winning defense?

And how do you account for the fact that 17 points would have won or tied 9 of the 12 games played Sunday?? Do all those teams just have awesome offenses that carried their respective teams??

[mav1234]

If I'm not mistaken, I believe u were one of the ones who wanted him to sit for a year just because of his preseason.Ur level of tollerance towards Cam was always very short. When I would say that Cam's preseason game play was no different than other top qb draftees during the years, u would defend the other QBs record while sounding like chicken little everytime someone found another flaw with Cam.

Didn't want him to sit a year, was wanting him to come in after the bye or sometime later in the season depending because I didn't think he could carry this team in the way it would need and I thought it could damage his confidence to be forced out too early because we'd need to ask him to do too much with how the rest of the team was. I also admitted that the coaches knew more about him than I did, I just was afraid they'd force him out too early to get people excited.

Cam's giving us the best chance to win and I admit I was wrong. I don't get your point though. Hell, if anything, you're now the one saying we're relying on Cam too much and we can't expect a rookie to carry the team. That was my thinking then too, so I'm not sure where the argument originates. Obviously at this point it's clear nobody could carry this team, but I'm very slightly worried about leaning on Cam so much so early in his career that it could hurt him long term, but this guy is pretty tough so I'm not really too worried about that.

I'm not even sure what specifically you are referring to at the end there, because I think just about every rookie QB should sit and I said the only reason Bradford started was an injury that allowed him to play exceptionally in the last two preseason games so his coach couldn't sit him. I thought the way the Bucs handled Freeman was perfect with the young team they had.

This team not only needs a stronger defense, but the pressure for Cam to deliver tds week in and out cannot be forming good habits with him. It's seems as if many of the fans have official shifted all of last years bad mindset into this new season. There is nothing wrong with the Panthers. If the coach and the QB can just get it right, we'd be a competitive team....Our defense is just a little weak. Our offense has good players. It's the QB's job to get it right all the time. Talk about spoiling a team.

Nobody has said that at all, in fact just about every one of us has said that the defense and special teams need to take pressure off Cam. Maybe ProBowler or whatever thinks our offense is at fault for losses, but I think that's also a bit of an oversimplification of his arguments as well.

Most of us know our team blows, not Cam, but you like to take comments out of context or a single line. I think if you were a fan of the team, or at least read the boards for more than just trolling people who make comments about Cam, you'd see that most of us know that the defense is terrible and needs a lot of help, most of us know that the special teams is a liability, and most of us do think our offense generally does enough to win games if it got some help.

it didn't yesterday, but that was one game, and not all of that falls on Cam at all. I've said over and over, in this thread and elsewhere, we are leaning on our QB waaay too much. Which we've said, and you've said, yet you continue to have a "Oh yeah well you're ungrateful!" attitude.