Was the loss Cam's fault? Coming up on ESPN first take.

[rico6]

0 touchdowns (passing) and 3 interceptions.

Say what you wat about the defense, but that is a poor qb performance by any standard.

Like terray said the other day, this team only had to put late in the third quarter.

If we had half a defense, we win that game. plain and simple.

[mav1234]

Like terray said the other day, this team only had to put late in the third quarter.

If we had half a defense, we win that game. plain and simple.

I understand he's a rookie so it's not like I'm pissed at him or anything but I don't understand the argument "well we had 17 points in 3 quarters and we didn't punt until the third so the offense was fine."

I get that the defense blew, but the offense was just as bad in the 4th.

[footballisasport]

0 touchdowns (passing) and 3 interceptions.

Say what you wat about the defense, but that is a poor qb performance by any standard.

Okay...the Panthers defense SUCKS. And they have gotten progressively sucky from first game.

[teeray]

I swear you are the biggest apologist in the world. Do you GET that we are a TOP 5 offense in the NFL after 6 games? Do you realize we are the only top 5 offense with a 1-5 record? Do you not understand we are a 16th ranked defense?

Do you not understand we are a top 5 offense that's 16th in points scored and a 16th ranked defense that's 28th in points allowed, and that difference falls SQUARELY on the fact that our offense is not getting those points that they SHOULD BE GETTING, and instead are falling on the defense's statistics?

Is it such a hard concept for you to grasp that there is NO EXCUSE for any team with a top 5 offense in the NFL after 6 weeks to have a 1-5 record, when they have a 16th ranked defense?

Do you just not want to face the reality that the top teams in the NFL right now ALSO have the pootiest defenses?' THOSE ARE FACTS. Not empty opinions. I mean how hard is that to grasp? Do you just refuse to face those facts?

Nice counter point. Except a few things.

First of all we are also ranked 31st against the run. Someone with your perceived intelligence would know that if you can't stop the run the other teams possessions are longer and they may not rack up as many total yards because there are less possessions in the game. That could skew the total yardage number.

Third we are ranked 29th in points allowed.

And lastly in advanced statistics we are dead last on defense for overall defensive efficiency.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame/position/defense

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/teampage.php

Oh yeah. You remind me a lot of a guy named PantherFanForLife. Amazing. He was just banned and you started just this month. That is an interesting coincidence :)

[Kyle82]

I've had a couple of my Falcon friends text me that they are worried about the Panthers next year.

Why do you have Falcon friends??! :eek:

[teeray]

A couple of more things PF4L.... errr ProBowler.

You said the field position problems were because of special teams. You don't think that the fact that our defense gave up points on 5 of 7 possessions including 4 TDs in 7 possessions, our defense had no three and outs, and forced zero turnovers had anything to do with that?? And do you thing those statistics are consistent with a winning defense??

[Razzy]

It's mostly on the defense, but like any loss it is a team game and a team effort, so there definitely are other members of the team that could have played better.

Cam's interceptions did not help, but they did not cause the loss.

[footballisasport]

I understand he's a rookie so it's not like I'm pissed at him or anything but I don't understand the argument "well we had 17 points in 3 quarters and we didn't punt until the third so the offense was fine."

I get that the defense blew, but the offense was just as bad in the 4th.

No u don't cause the defense has been sucking from game one but folks like u would much rather believe it's Cam's job to pull this team to the winners circle week in and out regardless of what the defense does because it feels good.

FYI, the Jets is beating the Dolphins 17-6 and in the fourth qrter..The team doesn't have to score another point and they can win if the DEFENSE did their job, as it seem they are. Shocker

[mav1234]

No u don't cause the defense has been sucking from game one but folks like u would much rather believe it's Cam's job to pull this team to the winners circle week in and out regardless of what the defense does because it feels good.

no I don't think that, I've never said that at all. I've actually said we're relying on Cam to win us the games too much, but I know it'd be inconvenient for you to actually read my posts because then your ridiculous "ra ra you fans are so ungrateful" shtick would look just as silly to you as it does to the rest of us.

[footballisasport]

It's mostly on the defense, but like any loss it is a team game and a team effort, so there definitely are other members of the team that could have played better.

Cam's interceptions did not help, but they did not cause the loss.

One could never tell by the way many are behaving.

Honestly, this was what I was afraid of when this kid got drafted to this team. When u over compensate for the weakness of one area on a team, u eventually weaken the whole team.

I guess the quicker u guys burn can out Cam the quicker u can put urself back into the lotto for Andrew Luck.

[teeray]

You can't absolve the offense completely either. But it isn't easy against most good teams when the best starting field position is the 23 yards line.

And some days the offense isn't going to be lights out. Some times you turn the ball over. Sometimes you leave the defense a short field. That is all part of the game and the defense has to step up in those situations. So far this season our defense hasn't for the most part. When the offense makes a mistake or goes three and out, it seems like an automatic touchdown.

Even FGs are wins with how explosive our offense has been. Even if we can't stop them completely keep them out of the endzone. Right now the other teams are scoring more TDs than FGs.

[mav1234]

You can't absolve the offense completely either. But it isn't easy against most good teams when the best starting field position is the 23 yards line.

And some days the offense isn't going to be lights out. Some times you turn the ball over. Sometimes you leave the defense a short field. That is all part of the game and the defense has to step up in those situations. So far this season our defense hasn't for the most part. When the defense makes a mistake or goes three and out, it seems like an automatic touchdown.

Even FGs are wins with how explosive our offense has been.

yeah I know. I have a sense of dread any time we get to a third down that isn't >20 yards, because I feel like we have no chance of stopping the opposing team. Our offense is still learning and I think we're asking too much of our QB to carry this team like he has been trying. Our D and special teams need to step up.

[footballisasport]

no I don't think that, I've never said that at all. I've actually said we're relying on Cam to win us the games too much, but I know it'd be inconvenient for you to actually read my posts because then your ridiculous "ra ra you fans are so ungrateful" shtick would look just as silly to you as it does to the rest of us.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe u were one of the ones who wanted him to sit for a year just because of his preseason. Ur level of tollerance towards Cam was always very short. When I would say that Cam's preseason game play was no different than other top qb draftees during the years, u would defend the other QBs record while sounding like chicken little everytime someone found another flaw with Cam.

Anyway, some of u crying that 17 points wouldn't have been enough and the offense didn't score at all in the 4th quarter that is why the Panthers lost. I'm watching the Jets game and the team could have easily won the game at 17-6 and Sanches never scoring another TD in the forth quarter, Why? because of the Jet's defense. The Jets defense made it easy for Sanchez where he scored another td that really wasn't even necessary because the Jets defense held the Dolphines to just two field goals.

The question is, do u think the Panthers could have done the same with their defense if they were playing the Dolphines?

[chef17]

Instead of bitching and complaining about what we talk about how about you just leave?