Was the loss Cam's fault? Coming up on ESPN first take.

[ProBowler]

Starting field position for the Panthers in the second half. 20, 16, 20, 23, 22.

That is as telling about our defense as anything. If you think that is good scoring position you need to pass what you are smoking.

As a matter of fact our best starting field position the entire game was the 23 yards line. the fact we scored 17 was amazing.

LOL. Ok. Like I said, you keep looking at this from such a crooked point of view it's not even funny. First, starting field position is primarily a special teams responsibility, not defense. Our offense on the other hand has managed to give our opponents amazing field position on just about every game. We gifted GB 4 times. We gifted the Saints right off the bat in our own 30. We gifted the Falcons in the 4th quarter right of the bat in our own 30.

Like I said earlier, you want our D to overcome our offensive turn overs instead of blaming the O in the first place for having them. It doesn't work that way. That's the exception to the rule, not the way it usually works.

It's unrealistic to expect a defense to overcome 4 turnovers like we did against GB and also not get scored on. It's not unrealistic to ask our offense not to have 4 in the first place. It's not unrealistic to ask them not to have any. Or even 1.

[footballisasport]

My point was you care so much about Cam but don't care anything about the Panthers yet you want people to take you serious.

Not everyone hates Cam, especially not here. That argument got old a long time ago.

Good pick with the Rangers, really going out on a limb there.

Hmmmm....Wrong...if anything, I believe u need to go back to my many postings where I have been one of the few who have been very optomistic about this team. But from what I've seen, it appears many want Cam to do with this team the impossible. He cannot be a savior for a team who had issues long before he got here.

The last time I checked, football is played by two sides. The offense put up points and the defense prevent the opposing team from putting up more points than their offense. Has the game changed?

No one seems to be faulting Sam Bradford for the Rams losing track record despite him being the QB. His team played the same team Cam and the offense rack up 20 something points on, the Packers, and only managed to score a field goal the entire 60 minutes in yesterdays lose to them. And u guys go haywire when Cam don't score a td everytime he gets the ball.

Also, I tend to go on hunches with teams that make it to the World Series who are not named the Yankees. So far my track record is pretty good. Last year I felt it was time for the San Francisco Giants to win the WS and they went all the way. I knew the Detriot Tigers weren't going pass the Rangers in the recent play-offs and I was right. The Rangers seem like a pretty strong team. I'll watch the first game and see if my hunch is right...:D

[mav1234]

only 2 of the turnovers mattered, but they both really hurt and they were major reasons we lost today.

last week it was as much special teams as anything, this week it was as much the offense in the 4th quarter as it was the defense.

[Camdemonium]

Hmmmm....Wrong...if anything, I believe u need to go back to my many postings where I have been one of the few who have been very optomistic about this team. But from what I've seen, it appears many want Cam to do with this team the impossible. He cannot be a savior for a team who had issues long before he got here.

The last time I checked, football is played by two sides. The offense put up points and the defense prevent the opposing team from putting up more points than their offense. Has the game changed?

No one seems to be faulting Sam Bradford for the Rams losing track record despite him being the QB. His team played the same team Cam and the offense rack up 20 something points on, the Packers, and only managed to score a field goal the entire 60 minutes in yesterdays lose to them. And u guys go haywire when Cam don't score a td everytime he gets the ball.

Also, I tend to go on hunches with teams that make it to the World Series who are not named the Yankees. So far my track record is pretty good. Last year I felt it was time for the San Francisco Giants to win the WS and they went all the way. I knew the Detriot Tigers weren't going pass the Rangers in the recent play-offs and I was right. The Rangers seem like a pretty strong team. I'll watch the first game and see if my hunch is right...:D

You must be rich then right?

What is your background? How old are you? You a student or a professional?

I'm just really curious.

I think you mentioned you are a student, which would make sense, I just want to confirm.

[redbuddha]

Misdirected my ass. Cam and this offense has scored 0 points in the 4th quarter in 3 games. He's scored 0 points in 5 games when we were not down by more than 2 scores. He's only scored in the 4th quarter when the other team's defenses had a 2 score cushion in garbage time or we played in a monsoon. And our D did its job that time, and closed out the game.

It's not misdirected. Whatever the hell happens in a football game in the first, second, third quarter doesn't matter as long as you are in a position to win before that clock hits 0.00. You can't expect defenses to shut out opponents completely in the 4th quarter....and even if they did, we would have still lost because our offense can't score in the 4th to win the damn game. Best we would have had is a tie.

How the heck do you expect to win when your offense can't finish games and score in the 4th quarter? You think other teams will just call it quits after the 3rd and lay down for our D? Or ANY D?

Our D was supposed to shut down the Falcons from midway from the third quarter? That's what you REALISTICALLY expect?

See I guess the difference for me in watching Panther games this year as compared to last year, is that at least you are within 1-2 scores at the end of the game.

Last year your team had the worst point differential in the league -212. This year although it is negative its not that bad. It's actually within 2 points of Tampa's for perspective, and they are 4-2.

This "team" not Cam needs to find ways to win. They need to learn how to win on the road, they need to learn how to win at home, they need to learn how to win in their division, and they need to learn how to win in their conference.

The first thing they are learning how to do is score points; how do they find that endzone? Something they seemed to have a hard time finding last year. Last year they scored 196 points all season. In 6 games they have already scored 133 with 10 games to spare. You can't see the progress because you are to close to the situation. But you guys dug a really deep hole the last several years.

[mav1234]

TB's point differential is screwed up because they had a 40 point loss..

[footballisasport]

only 2 of the turnovers mattered, but they both really hurt and they were major reasons we lost today.

last week it was as much special teams as anything, this week it was as much the offense in the 4th quarter as it was the defense.

Well, the last time I checked, the defense should have been able to stop the opposing team from gaining much ground.

My point it, Tom Brady had two interceptions yesterday, are the fans harping over them? And how much work did u feel one of the supposedly worst defense in the game did about getting the ball back for him? U come to me as if u solely depend on the offense to wins all these games. Maybe if the Panthers defense actually started DEFENDING and stop letting the game look so easy for the opposing team, the int wont' hurt so much.

U really amaze me at how quick u are to defend and make excuses for the other rookie qbs when I use them to make my point. Yet, ur always there quick to blame an entire game lose on Cam in a drop of a dime when u know it's not 100% truthful.

Maybe u folks do need to wait for Luck next draft season. The way he's painted, he may be the only one to make u happy even when he throws those ints.

[footballisasport]

See I guess the difference for me in watching Panther games this year as compared to last year, is that at least you are within 1-2 scores at the end of the game.

Last year your team had the worst point differential in the league -212. This year although it is negative its not that bad. It's actually within 2 points of Tampa's for perspective, and they are 4-2.

This "team" not Cam needs to find ways to win. They need to learn how to win on the road, they need to learn how to win at home, they need to learn how to win in their division, and they need to learn how to win in their conference.

The first thing they are learning how to do is score points; how do they find that endzone? Something they seemed to have a hard time finding last year. Last year they scored 196 points all season. In 6 games they have already scored 133 with 10 games to spare. You can't see the progress because you are to close to the situation. But you guys dug a really deep hole the last several years.

He can see the progression he is just being a rabble rouser. He wants attention and knows criticizing Cam will get the job done.

[letha]

The Panthers' Offense has to put up 35 points to have any chance of winning, because the defense gives up around 30 points every week.

Jacksonville doesn't count due to the weather.

Most NFL teams that score over 21 points, like the Panthers usually do, usually win most of those games. Too bad the Panthers defense is going to give up 30.

you say 35 points...but i say 40 and that still might not be enough lol

[footballisasport]

You must be rich then right?

What is your background? How old are you? You a student or a professional?

I'm just really curious.

I think you mentioned you are a student, which would make sense, I just want to confirm.

I'm a professional who went back to school to earn my degree in Bus Adm because I wanted and need it.

I don't gamble but I do pay attention to a lot of the games and teams. Sometimes, u can just tell by the way a team play if they are going far or not. Last season I predicted the Packers were going to win the Superbowl even thou the Steelers were more favored and that the Patriots and Ind Colt weren't going pass the Jets despite the experts insights.

Yesterday, I got the Lions losing and the Bills falling to the Gaints. Tonight I will say Sanchez gets his win against the Dolphins. I can't see the Jets losing three in a row.

With the Panthers, I keep talking positively about the team getting it's win real soon. Even thou honestly just like The Eagles last year, ur defense really scares me. I honestly feel if this defense and secondary can step up their game consistantly and give the rest of the team confidence that they can play their role, I can see this team stringing some wins together before the season is over. Cam and a offensive team that he's still gelling with, cannot do it on their own. Way to much pressure for a rookie QB. No matter how good he is.

[footballisasport]

you say 35 points...but i say 40 and that still might not be enough lol

Why not make it an even 50 since Cam is no longer a rookie in some eyes and the level of unrealistic expectations from him is already through the roof.

Maybe scoring 50 might just hold off the opposing team.

[teeray]

LOL. Ok. Like I said, you keep looking at this from such a crooked point of view it's not even funny. First, starting field position is primarily a special teams responsibility, not defense. Our offense on the other hand has managed to give our opponents amazing field position on just about every game. We gifted GB 4 times. We gifted the Saints right off the bat in our own 30. We gifted the Falcons in the 4th quarter right of the bat in our own 30.

Like I said earlier, you want our D to overcome our offensive turn overs instead of blaming the O in the first place for having them. It doesn't work that way. That's the exception to the rule, not the way it usually works.

It's unrealistic to expect a defense to overcome 4 turnovers like we did against GB and also not get scored on. It's not unrealistic to ask our offense not to have 4 in the first place. It's not unrealistic to ask them not to have any. Or even 1.

17 points would have won or tied 9 games yesterday out of the 12 games played with the other defenses in the league. New England had 4 turnovers and gave up 16 points.

Turnovers happen. I don't expect to shut teams out but the defense at times has to help the offense when they struggle. We can't expect to have to score 30+ points every game in order to win.

Lets just figure this out real quick. You are trying to sell me that out of the 7 true possessions the Falcons offense had (in full disclosure I am not counting the three hail mary's they threw at the end of the 2nd quarter as a true possession), 4 tds, 1 field goal, no three and outs, and 2 punts is winning defense??

Yeah good point :rolleyes:

Plus I never said the offense played perfect football yesterday. But the defense has left no room for error. Good teams the defense lifts the offense when the offense struggles.

They reverse is true also. The offense has picked up the defense the last few games. That is the only reason we were even in the New Orleans, Chicago, and Green Bay games.

If our defense is giving up points on 71% of the other teams possessions and touchdowns on 57% of those possessions (even in short field situations) you can not and will not win.

[ProBowler]

17 points would have won or tied 9 games yesterday out of the 12 games played with the other defenses in the league. New England had 4 turnovers and gave up 16 points.

Turnovers happen. I don't expect to shut teams out but the defense at times has to help the offense when they struggle. We can't expect to have to score 30+ points every game in order to win.

Lets just figure this out real quick. You are trying to sell me that out of the 7 true possessions the Falcons offense had (in full disclosure I am not counting the three hail mary's they threw at the end of the 2nd quarter as a true possession), 4 tds, 1 field goal, no three and outs, and 2 punts is winning defense??

Yeah good point :rolleyes:

Plus I never said the offense played perfect football yesterday. But the defense has left no room for error. Good teams the defense lifts the offense when the offense struggles.

They reverse is true also. The offense has picked up the defense the last few games. That is the only reason we were even in the New Orleans, Chicago, and Green Bay games.

If our defense is giving up points on 71% of the other teams possessions and touchdowns on 57% of those possessions (even in short field situations) you can not and will not win.

I swear you are the biggest apologist in the world. Do you GET that we are a TOP 5 offense in the NFL after 6 games? Do you realize we are the only top 5 offense with a 1-5 record? Do you not understand we are a 16th ranked defense?

Do you not understand we are a top 5 offense that's 16th in points scored and a 16th ranked defense that's 28th in points allowed, and that difference falls SQUARELY on the fact that our offense is not getting those points that they SHOULD BE GETTING, and instead are falling on the defense's statistics? Do you just not want to see our offense is doing nothing in the last quarter of the game?

Is it such a hard concept for you to grasp that there is NO EXCUSE for any team with a top 5 offense in the NFL after 6 weeks to have a 1-5 record, when they have a 16th ranked defense? Do you realize the Jaguars are a top 10 defense? They are ranked number 8! They are 1-5 because their offense sucks.

Do you just not want to face the reality that the top teams in the NFL right now ALSO have the pootiest defenses?' THOSE ARE FACTS. Not empty opinions. I mean how hard is that to grasp? Do you just refuse to face those facts?

I thought people came to this realization last year. I thought most understood that this has become an offensive driven league. We are where we need to be in this day and age. We just have nothing to show for it.

[pantherclaw]

0 touchdowns (passing) and 3 interceptions.

Say what you wat about the defense, but that is a poor qb performance by any standard.