Why I'm Glad Fans Have No Say In the FO

[Swarly]

short end of it is that JR made the call that they would not trade the pick and they would go QB. he knew if they trotted out clausen for another season they would lose the fanbase

I think you underestimate JR's trust in Hurney. Hurney doesn't seem like the puppet type.

Nothing would surprise me with JR, though.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

we have to keep hurney around, he's a top 5 gm

lmao I agree with the title of this thread

[mav1234]

I dunno I tend to think the Panthers were holding out in case someone fell in love with Cam and wanted to trade up, but otherwise they were happy to pick him.

[mav1234]

top 5 is awfully generous, considering all aspects of a GM's job I don't know think I would put him there.

[Swarly]

Isn't it kind of fuged up though that you're judging Hurney when a lot of the mess we're in right now is because of JR's purge of half the team before the lockout?

I mean I agree Hurney has probably overstayed his welcome by missing on several picks and making boneheaded trades, but I can't really blame him for what is going on now.

[Sloth]

A number of years is an exaggeration. If we lose this year it will be three seasons in a row, which is hardly the kind of futility other franchises have experienced. Again, I'm not saying to be happy with moral victories, only to understand that this is a process that does not happen overnight, and that by all normal parameters we are actually well ahead of schedule.

A couple of things.

1. "It could always be worse" isn't the greatest argument in the world.

2. This is the second year in a row where winning isn't the goal. Last year with the purge and lock on spending and this year with the "fug it, just get everyone some experience and hope for the best" mentality. When are we going to enter a season actually trying to win it? 2014?

3. 2009: 2010 is our year!

4. 2010: 2011 is our year!

5. 2011: 2012 is our year!

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I think you underestimate JR's trust in Hurney. Hurney doesn't seem like the puppet type.

Nothing would surprise me with JR, though.

this is straight from jordan gross, i don't think he's making it up

in general JR isn't a meddler type of owner, he lets hurney have full reign on making the football decisions but there are still a few situations where he steps in. as i said he felt he would lose the fanbase if he didn't get a new face of the franchise so it was as much a business decision as a football one

also, good or bad, rivera was his call as well

[mav1234]

Isn't it kind of fuged up though that you're judging Hurney when a lot of the mess we're in right now is because of JR's purge of half the team before the lockout?

I mean I agree Hurney has probably overstayed his welcome by missing on several picks and making boneheaded trades, but I can't really blame him for what is going on now.

I personally do not think Hurney is a bad GM at all, I just don't think he is all that great. I do think he has the capability of putting together a team that wins but I feel like he's really trying too hard to continually "build for the future through the draft."

[fieryprophet]

short end of it is that JR made the call that they would not trade the pick and they would go QB. he knew if they trotted out clausen for another season they would lose the fanbase

Nope. Hurney asked for Cam's game tapes from Blinn before last season was even over, and sent scouts to the BCS title game. He sent out feelers for shopping the pick only to see if any teams were high on some other player at #1 and Cam would still be there when we picked plus we'd have extra picks. No one bit, and so we stayed at #1.

[Swarly]

this is straight from jordan gross, i don't think he's making it up

in general JR isn't a meddler type of owner, he lets hurney have full reign on making the football decisions but there are still a few situations where he steps in. as i said he felt he would lose the fanbase if he didn't get a new face of the franchise so it was as much a business decision as a football one

also, good or bad, rivera was his call as well

I haven't jumped on the fire Rivera bandwagon yet. too much stacked against him and it's pretty much a given that rookie head coaches get a grace period no matter how good/bad their team was.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

of course we still scouted players, makes no difference to what i said

[Swarly]

I personally do not think Hurney is a bad GM at all, I just don't think he is all that great. I do think he has the capability of putting together a team that wins but I feel like he's really trying too hard to continually "build for the future through the draft."

I agree.

He's a great cap guy, damn near flawless in the first round(albeit he doesn't always draft need, but he gets damn good players every time sans Otah), and has had some success.

poo just hit the fan so fast after 2008 it's been hard to recover. he has made some moves that would get a lot of GM's fired though.

[fieryprophet]

I personally do not think Hurney is a bad GM at all, I just don't think he is all that great. I do think he has the capability of putting together a team that wins but I feel like he's really trying too hard to continually "build for the future through the draft."

Again, I don't think fans realize that every GM has to have that kind of mindset. The way the talent distribution is in the NFL, it is extremely hard to be able to field a team with excellent talent on both sides of the ball while actually being able to afford said talent. Premier players are so hard to find that anytime a team develops a good player they are often a free agent and command huge contracts on the open market, meaning they either have to tie a lot of money into that player or have someone in the pipeline ready to replace him. That's why the "building through the draft mantra" is so ingrained: free agency has made acquiring talent very difficult unless you are literally only a piece or two at the most from a Super Bowl. There are also no guarantees with those high-priced additions (see: Philadelphia, 2011.)

[PhillyB]

is anyone is actually suggesting that the OP is wrong in assuming that hurney and the coaching staff are better equipped to manage the team than the average huddle poster?