Why I'm Glad Fans Have No Say In the FO

[Kevin Greene]

1.) blah, blah, blah, blah..

You've posted up some the last couple of weeks. Previous to that you have a two year hole where you have no posts on the Huddle.

What bothers me is posters coming in and lecturing Huddlers on what they know or don't know, especially with your condescending attitude when you have previously posted nothing about what you claim to know.

Utter bullshit.

This is like a Falcon fan coming in and talking smack after the game. No thanks.

[Sloth]

One more thing:

When is the last time a team made a trade for a player, and that player immediately became the spark that led that team to the Super Bowl in his first season?

Anyone? Then why the fug does anyone think it would be different for us?

Stay put, toss the second season in a row, hope for the best next year.

[Brooklyn Bully]

At no point am I saying the team shouldn't compete, or try to win every game. But reality is a b*tch, and she smacks everyone when they refuse to see it. We are missing pieces that could not be solved in a single offseason. This is a fact. If we are not vastly improved by next season, then I will agree that fans have a valid reason for concern. But our holes from last year started at the most important position, and this is the season we addressed it. Right now, it looks like we have our QB of the future, so most of our energy next season can focus on the flip side of the ball. In football, if you can at least solve 2 of the 3 phases of the game, you can contend, so again, give them a season.

AGAIN, IF ANYONE ASSUMES I AM FINE WITH LOSING, YOUR READING COMPREHENSION RIVALS THAT OF A RETARDED SNAIL (OR A FALCONS FAN.)

I'm pointing out why we should continue to look forward to growth, and manage our expectations appropriately, because the fact is that we are missing pieces. If we're still missing them next season, feel free to complain, but for now see what we have, not what you wish we had.

One last one before bed...

WE COULD HAVE HAD THE PIECES. That, my fellow Panther fan, is why people are upset. Sure, look at Philly, there is no sure thing. But at least they tried. We went into the season with holes. To me, that is insanity. It's like when I play Madden (don't worry, it makes sense), I fill all the holes I can before I start the season. I don't mean Pro Bowlers at every position, but we were weak at DT and we went into the season anyway. Just makes it look, to me, like the FO doesn't like to admit they're wrong at times and are okay with their plans not panning out. If they want to win, then they need to treat the entire season like it's the Playoffs, not just see what some scrub may or may not be able to do. People are tired of no payoff from no name nobodies.

[beastson]

Fantastic post. Really sums up my thoughts on the team as well.

I find it hilarious that, the people who claim the post was too long, still took the time to post and say it was too long. They care enough about the Panthers to bitch and moan but can't take two minutes to read a well thought out post. Classic huddlers.

Yea we want to bitch and moan about the Panthers. Not about a rant of why fans should stfu

He could have easily shortened that why we'll be better as time go on

[R0CKnR0LLA]

People are calling for all these moves because they are tired of seeing these garbage teams trotted out on the field game after game year after year. They're tired of losing so they want some changes to be made, and rightly so.

Bottom line is that Hurney is not a good GM, a fact that should be obvious to everyone by now. And until we get a top end guy to run the team people are going to second guess every move (and every non move). But to be honest you're right that alot of the suggestions thrown around here are pretty stupid and would screw over the team even more than it already is but it's easy to see where everyone is coming from.

[mav1234]

1) No, there are not better players just sitting around out there. Seriously, if you actually believe this, you're an idiot. There might be some marginally more talented DTs and CBs on a practice squad somewhere, but you're not going to bring them in and have them right away improve the defensive play without the benefit of knowing the schemes, so what's the point?

You really believe the DTs we have are *the best* available and were the best available when Edwards got injured?

In the first season after a 2-14 catastrophe? Can you at least give them one?

Is this your first year as a Panthers fan or have you missed the last few losing seasons? Sorry if I feel I have the right to be frustrated when a new coaching staff is generating as many wins as the last. I understand why, that doesn't mean I have to like it or I shouldn't post about that frustration on a message board dedicated to the team.

[Jrock88]

agree, since the Cards embarrassed us at home in the 2008 playoffs, this team has been nothing but disappointment.

[SCMunnerlyn1]

Great read .. some of these fuging people man.

[fieryprophet]

You really believe the DTs we have are *the best* available and were the best available when Edwards got injured?

How many good starting DTs have other teams picked up since Ron Edwards went down? Let's see. . .none.

Is this your first year as a Panthers fan or have you missed the last few losing seasons? Sorry if I feel I have the right to be frustrated when a new coaching staff is generating as many wins as the last. I understand why, that doesn't mean I have to like it or I shouldn't post about that frustration on a message board dedicated to the team.

I've been around since 1995, so if you want to talking losing seasons, I'll just reference 2001 and 1-15. I was there for it all, so I think I'd understand the process. We went 7-9 the next season under Fox, then lost in the Super Bowl the next. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

[fieryprophet]

People are calling for all these moves because they are tired of seeing these garbage teams trotted out on the field game after game year after year. They're tired of losing so they want some changes to be made, and rightly so.

I was at the Arizona debacle. We were 12-4 in 2008. I don't call that a garbage team, despite the loss. In fact, if we return to respectability anytime within the next three seasons we are GREATLY exceeding the typical NFL franchise turnaround timeframe.

Bottom line is that Hurney is not a good GM, a fact that should be obvious to everyone by now. And until we get a top end guy to run the team people are going to second guess every move (and every non move). But to be honest you're right that alot of the suggestions thrown around here are pretty stupid and would screw over the team even more than it already is but it's easy to see where everyone is coming from.

Has Hurney made some bad moves? yes. has he made some good ones? Also yes. He tends to have a higher risk/reward factor, but we have picked up some real gems through his drafts. Steve Smith, Peppers, Beason, Johnson, Kalis, Gross, Cam, Deangelo, Stewart, just to name a few. He's had some busts as well but the record in my opinion is better than the majority of NFL teams. Again, even the best teams have some terrible picks. The Patriots whiffed on their entire 2007 draft.

[mav1234]

How many good starting DTs have other teams picked up since Ron Edwards went down? Let's see. . .none.

I've been around since 1995, so if you want to talking losing seasons, I'll just reference 2001 and 1-15. I was there for it all, so I think I'd understand the process. We went 7-9 the next season under Fox, then lost in the Super Bowl the next. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

So you'll remember that after that miserable 1-15 season...

we went 3-0... bit different, eh? Even when we started losing, I didn't want Fox fired. I don't want Ron Rivera fired. But I feel like it's okay for me to complain about what we did or didn't (quarterback grah) do, just as I did then.

As to the DTs, I'd still wish we'd look at Pat Williams a bit more...

[fieryprophet]

So you'll remember that after that miserable 1-15 season...

we went 3-0... bit different, eh? Even when we started losing, I didn't want Fox fired. I don't want Ron Rivera fired. But I feel like it's okay for me to complain about what we did or didn't (quarterback grah) do, just as I did then.

As to the DTs, I'd still wish we'd look at Pat Williams a bit more...

We also played a MUCH friendlier schedule that year. Seriously, does anyone remember that we've played against last year's playoff teams every week but Jacksonville?

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I was at the Arizona debacle. We were 12-4 in 2008. I don't call that a garbage team, despite the loss. In fact, if we return to respectability anytime within the next three seasons we are GREATLY exceeding the typical NFL franchise turnaround timeframe.

Has Hurney made some bad moves? yes. has he made some good ones? Also yes. He tends to have a higher risk/reward factor, but we have picked up some real gems through his drafts. Steve Smith, Peppers, Beason, Johnson, Kalis, Gross, Cam, Deangelo, Stewart, just to name a few. He's had some busts as well but the record in my opinion is better than the majority of NFL teams. Again, even the best teams have some terrible picks. The Patriots whiffed on their entire 2007 draft.

so you think what as far as keeping hurney around and how good of a gm he is?

[fieryprophet]

so you think what as far as keeping hurney around and how good of a gm he is?

My opinion has always been that Hurney is a high risk/high reward type of GM when it comes to drafting. This leaves us with some awful busts, but his good picks have been very good. Deangelo and Stewart are still the best RB tandem in the league, Johnson and Hardy are looking like DE studs (very hard to find) and Ryan Kalil and Jordan Gross are excellent players at their positions. Beason is an absolute monster at MLB. Byron Bell is looking like a great pickup as well, and the only reason Otah and Davis seem like disappointments is because of something a GM can't account for: injuries.

And enough can't be said about how much fortitude it took to pick Cam #1. The pressure to get that pick right so great that teams often try to trade out of the #1, and if Cam had not turned out well it would have probably have cost Hurney his job. The pressure was on him to make a "safe" pick and he went with the risk instead, and now we have the "reward."