Why I'm Glad Fans Have No Say In the FO

[Happy Panther]

a. Rivera hasn't shown anything, at all, to deserve being called outstanding.

b. Punting to Hester is/was fuging stupid. As evidenced by his beating our ass.

c. For all the "no coddling/hardass" talk, we sure look soft as hell and completely undisciplined.

d. Every year, someone posts a variation of the "FA is not the way! Develop within!" spiel, and 6 weeks later our developed guys look like ass while that FA that was a bad choice tears it up somewhere else.

e. This is the second season in a row the Panthers org isn't trying to win. Why everyone mad?!

Brevity wins.

OP take note.

[Swarly]

I was also deadset that Mardy Gilyard would be a pro bowl WR.

let's all be honest, there is a reason we're posting on a fan forum and not working for a team.

[C47]

I think my biggest miss was Dwayne Jarrett. I still contend that he would be good if he could get his head on right and concentrate on football....alas.....

[GritsRgreat]

I wanted McNair over Collins.

[C47]

Oh and I wanted Maroney over DeAngelo....I was so pissed when the Pats drafted him....

[Keith Moons Liver]

I was also deadset that Mardy Gilyard would be a pro bowl WR.

let's all be honest, there is a reason we're posting on a fan forum and not working for a team.

yep and that reason is lack of connections. football is not quantum mechanics- you don't need to be very smart to figure it out.

[fieryprophet]

a. Rivera hasn't shown anything, at all, to deserve being called outstanding.

No other coach in the NFL would have started Cam full bore and built the offense around him. Coaches prefer thinking that they can mold a QB into their image, while Rivera has taken Cam as he is and tried to allow the offense to play to his strengths, while gradually adding the parts that Cam doesn't have down yet. I call that type of long-term thinking outstanding, and if he takes a similar approach to the rest of his players we will improve as a team, which is priority #1 for any coach. The winning will come.

b. Punting to Hester is/was fuging stupid. As evidenced by his beating our ass.

Sean Considine had Hester in his grasp, didn't wrap up, and took out a teammate on top of it. Baker shanked the punt. They had the ability to execute the play, and they did not.

c. For all the "no coddling/hardass" talk, we sure look soft as hell and completely undisciplined.

You can't coach talent out of thin air. The defense looks soft because they simply don't have ability to stop stronger offensive lines. No amount of coaching can solve that. As for the discipline, his frustration with it is evidence enough that he understands it as a problem and will do what it takes to rectify it. This is still a young team that had no training camp or OTAs. If you pretended that the Arizona game was week one of OTAs, next week would be the start of the regular season. Finally, it's the timing of our penalties that is hurting us, not their abundance. This will be rectified.

d. Every year, someone posts a variation of the "FA is not the way! Develop within!" spiel, and 6 weeks later our developed guys look like ass while that FA that was a bad choice tears it up somewhere else.

Selective memory. If you cobble together all the successful FA decisions, you can make it seem like every team hit home runs while we blew all of ours, when the reality is that most teams made multiple FA guesses and whiffed on most theirs too. No one ever brings up the bad FA acquisitions unless they're ridiculously bad, rather than underperforming like most are.

e. This is the second season in a row the Panthers org isn't trying to win. Why everyone mad?!

They are trying to win, every single game. You can't look at the effort given in each game and come to any other conclusion. Do they have the pieces all there to win consistently? Not yet. But they're trying, and they will.

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[C47]

I wanted McNair over Collins.

Yep because you're the best at evaluating talent that there is....

[Swarly]

I think my biggest miss was Dwayne Jarrett. I still contend that he would be good if he could get his head on right and concentrate on football....alas.....

oh yeah I thought that dude would be a perennial pro bowler

lol

thought Matt Moore would lead the Panthers to the promise land

[Jrock88]

Good post, me likey. My head hurts now tho, I need to lay down.

[fieryprophet]

Brevity wins.

OP take note.

Brevity disguises lack of insight.

[blackcatgrowl]

Can we sticky this for the remainder of the season?

[C47]

oh yeah I thought that dude would be a perennial pro bowler

lol

thought Matt Moore would lead the Panthers to the promise land

I still think he COULD be an excellent third down receiver. He just has to get motivated and stay away from the bottle....hands like his don't come around very often. He really just needs to learn how to use his body to shield defenders and create space.....oh and learn the plays :lol:....

[GritsRgreat]

Yep because you're the best at evaluating talent that there is....

I'm ok