The Walking Dead on AMC

[Montsta]

Then the question comes to surface, if you are going to only band together with those you care about, you would have to choose your survival over one of theirs eventually to be like Shane. Its easy to shoot Otis, you don't know him but you wouldn't be traveling with him anyway. If your wife was slowing you down and the zombies were gaining, you'd have to shoot her. It's your survival over hers right? I'm just saying, Shane doesn't have lines to cross. This is why he is so quick to turn on Rick and why ultimately he will end up being that lone zombie wandering in the field. There won't be anyone left.

This is kind of an obtuse blanket statement. If it were just Lori, Shane, and Carl, and the zombies were coming and Lori and Carl were slowing him down, there is NO WAY Shane would shoot them. You make it seem like he is self-preservation at all costs.

And the beauty of this show is that it provides character depth. Those of you that think Shane is this horrible guy because he slept with his buddies wife are narrow minded.

It's the end of the world.

My friend tried to get me out of the hospital, where I was a vegetable in a coma, in the most chaotic situation imagineable, and after realizing there would be absolutely, positively no possible way he could get us both out, he tried to blockade the door at least for me because it's the only thing he could do.

He assumed (as would anyone) that I died, and thus took over father duties for my wife and child. This isn't like they went through a divorce dude, or I died under regular circumstances and they got married afterward. It's the end of the world. If you think your friend isn't good enough to father your children and take care of your wife in this situation, it means you must not think much of him. I would personally be honored that my friend would now make it his life mission to make sure my family is safe.

Shane then develops a genuine love for Lori and Carl, and thinks they will make a life together in the horrible reality they live in and, BOOM!, Rick comes back. Now I don't know if the show has said exactly how much time has elapsed, but if you've ever been in love with someone, you know when it ends it takes time to get over, and that's with plenty of other people to take your mind off of them and not having to worry about being eaten by zombies 24/7, not to mention having her fawn all over the new (even if it was her hubby) guy right in front of you every single minute of the day.

Now Rick comes back and make all kinds of questionable decisions that put many people in harms way, and Rick tells Shane basically do what I say or leave, and I wanted to punch your teeth in for sleeping with my life, without ever stopping to consider that his wife, his child, and he are all alive today because of Shane's efforts at the beginning of the whole zombie apocolypse. If I was Shane I would have just a smidge of animosity towards Rick as well, and rightfully so.

The black and white world some people live in is a nice idea in theory, but there is an entire planet of grey that I live in. I just think people don't ever look at things from Shane's point of view and are quick to dismiss him as a testosterone fueled asshole.

Just my opinion though.

[Mrs Pantherfan]

[XClown1986]

This is kind of an obtuse blanket statement. If it were just Lori, Shane, and Carl, and the zombies were coming and Lori and Carl were slowing him down, there is NO WAY Shane would shoot them. You make it seem like he is self-preservation at all costs.

And the beauty of this show is that it provides character depth. Those of you that think Shane is this horrible guy because he slept with his buddies wife are narrow minded.

It's the end of the world.

My friend tried to get me out of the hospital, where I was a vegetable in a coma, in the most chaotic situation imagineable, and after realizing there would be absolutely, positively no possible way he could get us both out, he tried to blockade the door at least for me because it's the only thing he could do.

He assumed (as would anyone) that I died, and thus took over father duties for my wife and child. This isn't like they went through a divorce dude, or I died under regular circumstances and they got married afterward. It's the end of the world. If you think your friend isn't good enough to father your children and take care of your wife in this situation, it means you must not think much of him. I would personally be honored that my friend would now make it his life mission to make sure my family is safe.

Shane then develops a genuine love for Lori and Carl, and thinks they will make a life together in the horrible reality they live in and, BOOM!, Rick comes back. Now I don't know if the show has said exactly how much time has elapsed, but if you've ever been in love with someone, you know when it ends it takes time to get over, and that's with plenty of other people to take your mind off of them and not having to worry about being eaten by zombies 24/7, not to mention having her fawn all over the new (even if it was her hubby) guy right in front of you every single minute of the day.

Now Rick comes back and make all kinds of questionable decisions that put many people in harms way, and Rick tells Shane basically do what I say or leave, and I wanted to punch your teeth in for sleeping with my life, without ever stopping to consider that his wife, his child, and he are all alive today because of Shane's efforts at the beginning of the whole zombie apocolypse. If I was Shane I would have just a smidge of animosity towards Rick as well, and rightfully so.

The black and white world some people live in is a nice idea in theory, but there is an entire planet of grey that I live in. I just think people don't ever look at things from Shane's point of view and are quick to dismiss him as a testosterone fueled asshole.

Just my opinion though.

No I totally understand why he does what he does. But it doesn't make it right and it doesn't ensure his or anyone elses safety.

He doesn't really love Lori and Carl. He loves the idea of someone loving him, and not being alone in the new world. He attached to her when the world went to poo and he didn't look at her lovingly before that. Said so himself. He reacted brashly in love just like he does toward death. He doesn't have a gray area. He's all in or all out. That's why he's so dangerous. He's a volatile human being.

Lori only loved Shane when she was hopeless. She lost her true love and needed to protect Carl. She knew and trusted Shane. He was her rebound during a time of grieving. That's it. It's not anyone's fault and Rick knows that. Shane is taking it personally because he has proven he can't think logically among all the chaos.

[Darth Biscuit]

No I totally understand why he does what he does. But it doesn't make it right and it doesn't ensure his or anyone elses safety.

He doesn't really love Lori and Carl. He loves the idea of someone loving him, and not being alone in the new world. He attached to her when the world went to poo and he didn't look at her lovingly before that. Said so himself. He reacted brashly in love just like he does toward death. He doesn't have a gray area. He's all in or all out. That's why he's so dangerous. He's a volatile human being.

Lori only loved Shane when she was hopeless. She lost her true love and needed to protect Carl. She knew and trusted Shane. He was her rebound during a time of grieving. That's it. It's not anyone's fault and Rick knows that. Shane is taking it personally because he has proven he can't think logically among all the chaos.

I don't know that that is true... remember back to the flashback episode from season 1... Lori and Rick didn't have a great marriage. I doubt that it was a stretch for Lori to fall in love, or at least easily have a fling with Shane after she thought Rick was dead. Idk if Shane really loves her or not... I suspect that he does.

[Montsta]

No I totally understand why he does what he does. But it doesn't make it right and it doesn't ensure his or anyone elses safety.

He doesn't really love Lori and Carl. He loves the idea of someone loving him, and not being alone in the new world. He attached to her when the world went to poo and he didn't look at her lovingly before that. Said so himself. He reacted brashly in love just like he does toward death. He doesn't have a gray area. He's all in or all out. That's why he's so dangerous. He's a volatile human being.

I absolutely agree that Shane is volatile. The barn scene showed that perfectly. And I knew my wife for several years as a friend and never looked at her in that kind of way, and then it hit me one day and I've loved her ever since, so it is possible Shane never looked at Lori until everything went to poo.. And Shane did genuinely love Lori, and still does. When they had that private conversation he was pleading with Lori to acknowledge that what they had was real, and he believes it was. She may have looked at it as a comfort-thing (women often do in life) and not genuine love, but Shane does love her. He also loves Carl and loves the baby that he firmly believes to be his, which would not surprise me to turn out that it is later on in the show.

I'm not defending all of Shane's actions per se. I'm saying I can empathize with him. For example, I had almost 40 people at my house for the super bowl this year. The one person that I didn't know (a guy that my wife's friend brought) was really cool when he first showed up, but by halftime had almost gotten in three fights. When he started getting physical with the woman that brought him by grabbing her hand and demanding she play beer pong, I grabbed a Wooster collapsable fiberglass and aluminum paint roller pole and I broke it over his head after he grabbed her. I instantly had two other women tell me it was a bitch move to hit a guy who wasn't looking and blah blah blah, but it was a kneejerk reaction to solve a situation that was in front of me. Maybe it wasn't the right way to handle it, but I did what I had to do in the heat of the moment. This might be why I feel a connection to Shane's character and understand where he's coming from, especially in the world they live in.

And I'm also not voting for Shane for leader of the year, I just hate that he has pretty much had the rug pulled from under him and is still portrayed as a sinister villian when I don't think that's the case.

[CRA]

I absolutely agree that Shane is volatile. The barn scene showed that perfectly. And I knew my wife for several years as a friend and never looked at her in that kind of way, and then it hit me one day and I've loved her ever since, so it is possible Shane never looked at Lori until everything went to poo.. And Shane did genuinely love Lori, and still does. When they had that private conversation he was pleading with Lori to acknowledge that what they had was real, and he believes it was. She may have looked at it as a comfort-thing (women often do in life) and not genuine love, but Shane does love her. He also loves Carl and loves the baby that he firmly believes to be his, which would not surprise me to turn out that it is later on in the show.

I'm not defending all of Shane's actions per se. I'm saying I can empathize with him. For example, I had almost 40 people at my house for the super bowl this year. The one person that I didn't know (a guy that my wife's friend brought) was really cool when he first showed up, but by halftime had almost gotten in three fights. When he started getting physical with the woman that brought him by grabbing her hand and demanding she play beer pong, I grabbed a Wooster collapsable fiberglass and aluminum paint roller pole and I broke it over his head after he grabbed her. I instantly had two other women tell me it was a bitch move to hit a guy who wasn't looking and blah blah blah, but it was a kneejerk reaction to solve a situation that was in front of me. Maybe it wasn't the right way to handle it, but I did what I had to do in the heat of the moment. This might be why I feel a connection to Shane's character and understand where he's coming from, especially in the world they live in.

And I'm also not voting for Shane for leader of the year, I just hate that he has pretty much had the rug pulled from under him and is still portrayed as a sinister villian when I don't think that's the case.

sounds a lot more exciting than any Superbowl party I have been to.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

i saw a dude get hit with a tricycle one time

but it was't at a superbowl party, it was over some crack

true story. wasn't even the most fuged up thing that happened that night.

funny the little details you remember years and years later, like the way the little bell on the tricycle's handlebars dinged when it hit the dude

seriously i'm glad i removed myself from those kind of situations :D

[Montsta]

sounds a lot more exciting than any Superbowl party I have been to.

It was great up until then. Luckily, by the time that all went down there was only 10 or so people left. In hindsight, two kegs and a two table double-elimination beer pong tournament were probably a bad idea. My LCD in the backyard, my pulled pork, wings, and ribs all got rave reviews though!

[CRA]

It was great up until then. Luckily, by the time that all went down there was only 10 or so people left. In hindsight, two kegs and a two table double-elimination beer pong tournament were probably a bad idea. My LCD in the backyard, my pulled pork, wings, and ribs all got rave reviews though!

just imagine if that went down at halftime...

your Superbowl party would have gone down in local history probably.

[XClown1986]

I don't know that that is true... remember back to the flashback episode from season 1... Lori and Rick didn't have a great marriage. I doubt that it was a stretch for Lori to fall in love, or at least easily have a fling with Shane after she thought Rick was dead. Idk if Shane really loves her or not... I suspect that he does.

I respectfully disagree. It had only been a week or two when the zombie outbreak hit and that was when Shane said he had feelings for Lori. That's enough time to become infatuated but not truly love a person. Shane is always fixed on the here and the now, so of course it was real to him. I have no doubt he believes that he loves her, I just don't think that he really does. I think he wanted to latch on to her and Carl as a duty to Rick, but then his sense of purpose was taken from him once Rick came back and he wasn't "needed" anymore. I think he likes to feel needed by someone and that's what he "loved".

Either way this show is awesome, the writing is great, and the characters are believable. Can't wait to see where they are going with it.

[XClown1986]

And I'm also not voting for Shane for leader of the year, I just hate that he has pretty much had the rug pulled from under him and is still portrayed as a sinister villian when I don't think that's the case.

I love Shane's character, believe it or not. It's great for the show. I just know what he is. He's a guy with a good heart and no brains who is slowly getting his heart taken from him too until he is eventually left with nothing.

Every villian doesn't end up where they are without being wronged in some way. But I think they are really trying to show that resilience is key, and he can't bounce back from trauma like Rick can. Shane killed Otis to survive, ok that's fine, but he is even having a hard time living with it. Rick left Sophia behind to try to save her, it didn't work and he had to end up shooting her as a walker. Rick was able to move forward and do the right thing though. Shane is just a guy that feels too much and doesn't think enough.

But like I said, it makes for a great story, and it's all believable. The writers want the audience to be divided between the two guys because there are good values and points to each character, and it looks their tactics are working haha.

[natty]

I think it's pretty clear that Lori never loved Shane. One of the first episodes it looked like Lori wasn't really into Shane at all when they had sex in the woods. Shane was the 'aggressor' (for lack of a better term) and Lori was just going along with it to protect herself and her son. This past episode really shows that she needs a man - she's playing out to be the prototypical feeble woman, where Andrea clearly isn't.

I'm digging the dynamic between Shane and Rick. It's much better than simply having Rick the good guy and Shane the bad. They're both alphas with outlooks that aren't all that different if you think about it, Rick just doesn't let himself get consumed with emotion as much. They are butting heads but still have the element of a bromance going on. Honestly I think the group needs both of them.

[Jangler]

Nobody "gave" Rick anything.

He's made it clear his "group" is his wife, son, and unborn child. Anyone who wants to join him and help has been welcome, but has to follow his lead. Most of the group has bought into that. Save for Shane and Andrea

Like a metaphorical "Human Race" be a part of it or leave.

I thought last night show was the best of the series IMO. Lotta of common ground was reached and now it's almost time to move on...or at least I hope so. But I guess with the baby Rick is not wanting to go anywhere.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Last week's episode was much better. I am getting tired of the farmhouse.

I am glad that it isnt a cheesy videogame-like show where they pointlessly blast 1000 zombies every week, but I think they are starting to become more of a soap opera, and not an apocalyptic thriller.

They need to get away from the farm house, and advance the story.

Agreed. I won't stop watching, but it's really starting to get bland at the farmhouse. Time to progress the storyline a bit. Show us more of the world.