Rivera on Hogan And Armanti

[Eazy-E]

you can argue our punt coverage sucks ass.. :jc:

Yeah for real. I think we may have the worst ST in the league. I mean our ST may even be worse than our run defense which is plain scary. And to add to it our LBs are dropping like flies which is not helping ST in any way shape or form.

[Smiling_Bob]

After 5 games, these are the top PR's (by avg. yards) in the league:

(1) Arenas (KC) 16.3 yds 37(long) 14 yds.(avg. w/o long)

(2) Peterson (ARI) 15.9 yds 89(long) 8.6 yds.(avg. w/o long)

(3) Sherels (MIN) 15.2 yds 53(long) 11.4 yds.(avg. w/o long)

(4) Sproles (NO) 14.9 yds 72(long) 5.3 yds.(avg. w/o long)

(5) Brown (PIT) 14.6 yds 41(long) 12 yds.(avg. w/o long)

(6) Cribbs (CLE) 12.8 yds 43(long) 9.4 yds.(avg. w/o long)

(7) Jones (HOU) 12.1 yds 79(long) 7.4 yds.(avg. w/o long)

(8) Ginn (SF) 11.8 yds 55(long) 9.1 yds.(avg. w/o long)

(9) Edelman (NE) 11.7 yds 18(long) 10.9 yds.(avg. w/o long)

(10) Bess (MIA) 11.4 yds 22(long) 8.8 yds.(avg. w/o long)

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(25) Edwards (CAR) 5.7 yds 17(long) 5.0 yds.(avg. w/o long)

and... Opponent punting average for those teams...

(2) CAR 38.7(avg)

(3) NOR 41.9(avg)

(11) ARI 43.6(avg)

(14) MIA 44.5(avg)

(16) CIN 45(avg)

(17) MIN 45.1(avg)

(20) SF 46.1(avg)

(21) PIT 46.1(avg)

(24) CLE 46.6(avg)

(28) NE 48.5(avg)

(31) KC 49.9(avg)

(32) HOU 50.3(avg)

Opponent Net punting rank:

(2) CAR 34.0 yds

(3) NO 36.9

(4) ARI 37.1

(5) MIN 38.9

(7) SF 38.4

(11)MIA 38.9

(13)CIN 39.8

(14)PIT 40.0

(15)CLE 40.2

(18)NE 40.9

(26)KC 42.1

(30)HOU 42.4

[Smiling_Bob]

So, in other words, on those occasions where the Panthers' D forces punts, the Panthers do better in the field position swap that all but one other team (Chicago).

Arenas has the most impressive stats for PR's thru Wk 5. But, notice that on average, he catches the ball more than ten yards farther down the field than Edwards. Houston's PR gets more than 11 more yards of space to work with.

Notice that when you take away Sproles' (NO, ranked third) one long return, his average falls to near Edwards. If you take away Hester's (Chicago, ranked 1st) one long return v. the Panthers, he has 32 total punt return yards (8yd avg.) the rest of the season so far.

My point is, Edwards has not been stellar so far, but those that have been seem to have longer fields to work with, and his performance so far has not hurt the team. Give him some time, as you can see one or two long returns really boost the average. If the Panthers' PR team rank stays this high and Edwards doesn't turn the ball over, then they're doing their jobs.

If the D would stop the other team in their own end a little more often, you might see some more opportunities for good returns. Carolina currently allows 43% conversions on third down.

[Snake]

After Thomas Davis, I don't expect much out of Hogan...ever.

IDK what happened to Davis but its rare. Most recover without problem.

[panthers55]

whenever he gets some blocking i think he'll start breaking out

as for WR, Rivera said the opportunities aren't there since they aren't running 4 WR sets. I'd like to see them try some of the wildcat with him along with DWill. Or maybe run a reverse with him sometime. give him a chance out there

Why run a wildcat with Edwards when you have Newton who can run just as well and can pass it much better. I would like us to use a 4 or 5 wide set with an empty backfield and let newton run it up the field. If they don't cover everyone we get an easy catch. If we spread them out, we have enough linemen to cover the 4 defensive linemen and the Mike. Should allow big gains either way.

[4Corners]

I keep forgetting about Hogan; but I did watch the 30 for 30 last night on ESPN and his name was dropped a couple times. Some scrub sports agent said he really thought he was gonna sign Hogan, and if he did, Hogan would have been the highest drafted player he'd ever represented.

pretty good 30/30 last night, but I expect a little more from Spurlock.

[beastson]

I guess nobody cares about Butler lol

[4Corners]

I guess nobody cares about Butler lol

I think Butler has been a very pleasant surprise.

I honestly think no one cares about Pugh or Stanford

[jtnc]

I guess nobody cares about Butler lol

Butler pretty much got bitch slapped by Jimmy Graham, and his weak ass attempt to tackle him afterwards.

[Ivan The Awesome]

I guess nobody cares about Butler lol

I certainly do. But I still feel we need one more CB from this draft. High if we can. Keep Munny in the slot, Gamble #1 then who ever at #2. Competition breeds greatness, Butler vs. Hogan vs. Draftee (prefer Cliff Harris or Stephon Gilmore).

Butler has done a great job in my opinion so far.

[pantherclaw]

Sounds like coach wants to get his play makers on the field.

[4Corners]

Butler pretty much got bitch slapped by Jimmy Graham, and his weak ass attempt to tackle him afterwards.

that will happen more times than not when a 5'11 cb is checking a 6'5 former basketball player TE

[mav1234]

hester would have trouble having many good returns behind our special teams.

that entire unit just looks awful when it comes to blocking and tackling, it's no surprise there is never any room.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Butler pretty much got bitch slapped by Jimmy Graham, and his weak ass attempt to tackle him afterwards.

LOL what do you expect from a 5'10 guy covering a 6'5 guy. C'mon man.