Steelers DL Coach Agrees With Pep

[Fireball77]

I could be wrong but I don't believe Pep ever mentioned playing for a contender. He simply let out that he doesn't think he could reach his potential in a Panthers uni, prefers a 3-4, and prefers 4 teams.

[Mr. Scot]

The notion that the tagging was an ego-driven "punk" move is ridiculous. Hurney isn't the type of GM that gets into pissing contests with players or agents. That's why you've never seen a story about the Panthers having a big blow up with Drew Rosenhaus or another agent like him.

Losing Peppers is going to create a significant hole in the defense, one that won't easily be filled. Allowing that to happen while getting nothing in return that could at least potentially be used to plug that hole would have been the height of stupidity.

If Hurney hadn't tagged him, GMs across the league would have been laughing their butts off, and deservedly so.

[carolinarolls]

You seem to be taking the approach of throwing up crap on the website and hoping something sticks.

He couldn't have walked we have his rights. If he doesn't sign the tender he doesn't play in 2009.

How do you know what he wants? Have you actually talked to him? Do you believe that his agent isn't spinning things or saying things to influence the outcome. Do you believe everything they say?

If you get any further out on the limb, you are going to fall and hurt yourself. :icon_bs:

listen 55, i appreciate your pov and you may be right but players that have just been offered contracts like he was and still want out, want out for a reason. It's not money so what is it?

I am not out on a limb at all. With every pasing day this potential nightmare becomes more of a reality.

Exactly WHAT in my previous two posts does not make sense to you?

He could have walked and would have had we not tagged him. We should not have done that and that is what this discussion is about.

I tried to get a poll here and have yet to see it. I requested info on how to start it from a mod.

Q. about tagging pep are you:

A) still happy and confident despite this dead time

still wish we hadn't despite trade rumors

C) starting to have doubts on whether or not it was a good decision to do so

I'd love to see this officially posted

[carolinarolls]

The notion that the tagging was an ego-driven "punk" move is ridiculous. Hurney isn't the type of GM that gets into pissing contests with players or agents. That's why you've never seen a story about the Panthers having a big blow up with Drew Rosenhaus or another agent like him.

Losing Peppers is going to create a significant hole in the defense, one that won't easily be filled. Allowing that to happen while getting nothing in return that could at least potentially be used to plug that hole would have been the height of stupidity.

If Hurney hadn't tagged him, GMs across the league would have been laughing their butts off, and deservedly so.

so what if they laugh.

his job is to focus on what wants to be here not what the org. has already burnt some type of bridge with. And he would not get nothing in return if he let Pep walk. He would get 17 mil in cap space and time to wheel and deal and put himself into a position where he could develop a game plan filled with FAR less speculation/hope/doubt than they are dealing with now.

To me, considering how defined our needs are and how close we actually are to being a legitimate power in the NFC, I'd say the decision would be very intelligent.

Since when do we care about what other GM's think anyway?

He took the easy way out and by doing so proves lack of foresight and lack of good decision making skills...not to mention running a franchise that All-Pro athletes want to walk away from after spending their entire career there in spite of what money is offered.

maybe you think Hurney is not a guy with any pride because contracts are negotiated without publicity...I seem to remember one going pretty deep into camp two years ago myself. But anyway, maybe he isn't that guy. But he has never been faced with this before. He is a money guy and clearly this confrontation is NOT about money.

This si not a yes/no on writing a check. This is a "I want out, I'm not sure the Panthers can offer me what I need to succeed, I don't care what kind of check they write" situation and to my knowledge Hurney has no experience indealing with that so it is plausible to say that he may break "character" and get a bit miffed and make a knee-jerk decision. Which is exactly what he made IMO.

[Mr. Scot]

so what if they laugh.

his job is to focus on what wants to be here not what the org. has already burnt some type of bridge with. And he would not get nothing in return if he let Pep walk. He would get 17 mil in cap space and time to wheel and deal and put himself into a position where he could develop a game plan filled with FAR less speculation/hope/doubt than they are dealing with now.

To me, considering how defined our needs are and how close we actually are to being a legitimate power in the NFC, I'd say the decision would be very intelligent.

Since when do we care about what other GM's think anyway?

He took the easy way out and by doing so proves lack of foresight and lack of good decision making skills...not to mention running a franchise that All-Pro athletes want to walk away from after spending their entire career there in spite of what money is offered.

maybe you think Hurney is not a guy with any pride because contracts are negotiated without publicity...I seem to remember one going pretty deep into camp two years ago myself. But anyway, maybe he isn't that guy. But he has never been faced with this before. He is a money guy and clearly this confrontation is NOT about money.

This si not a yes/no on writing a check. This is a "I want out, I'm not sure the Panthers can offer me what I need to succeed, I don't care what kind of check they write" situation and to my knowledge Hurney has no experience indealing with that so it is plausible to say that he may break "character" and get a bit miffed and make a knee-jerk decision. Which is exactly what he made IMO.

Wrong. His job is to build the best team he possibly can. If Peppers or any other player's ego gets bruised in the process, so what?

Lance Briggs made an even bigger stink than Peppers has, but the Bears used the franchise tag to get him back and got good production out of him. Would you have suggested they should have let him walk instead just because he "really wanted out"?

The reason other GMs would have been laughing would have been because Hurney would have made a completely idiotic move, one that would have hurt the team, and one that they could happily take advantage of at our expense.

Any GM that would make that sort of move would be in the unemployment line, and he'd deserve it.

[Montsta]

carolinarolls, are you really pep's agent in disguise? I've never seen someone go to bat for a player that has done so much to jam up the organization that they are a fan of. It's absurd to make comments that tagging him was anything short of a brilliant business decision. He fulfilled his contract obligations, yes, and he was paid very well to do just that. So he owes us nothing like we owe him nothing. And so, under the terms of the CBA, we can now get compensation for his sour departure. What about that is a d*ckheaded move?

Look at Asumogha in Oakland. The poor kid is wasting all his best years on a team that will be picking top 5 in the draft for the foreseeable future. So what did him and his agent do? They excepted the tag and the signed a contract with a clause that he can't be tagged at the end of it. CB's most crucial asset is speed, and it's sad to see such talent go to waste, so he and/or his agent did something about it so he could walk free and clear one day.

Perhaps if Pep had this idea in his head all along (which I think we can agree has been at least a couple of offseason's considering the contracts he's turned down), he could have restructured, saved us some cap space along the way, and made himself a free man at the end of it.

[carolinarolls]

you people crack me up. He has not jammed anything up. he could be gone and we could be dealing but we got greedy and mindful of our pride a little bit and now we are stuck.

and yes he is supposed to make the "best team possible" Scot and in my mind that team would be completely rid of any player who did not want to be there. Disagree?

Hurt the team? Hurt the team? The team is already hurt long before the likes of Hurney ever came into it..When Julius began to feel that Charlotte was not the place for him the team was hurt. We are making it worse by dragging it out under the guise of "best for the team"

i'm no fool. You might say that he did this in the best interest of the team but I don't see us gaining anything and I see us loing a lot.

[Mr. Scot]

and yes he is supposed to make the "best team possible" Scot and in my mind that team would be completely rid of any player who did not want to be there. Disagree?

Again, Lance Briggs.

[carolinarolls]

Again, Lance Briggs.

lance did not lock up his team all spring and summer and Pep most likely will and therefore was an easier decision for his GM.

Plus Lance was a money thing was it not? He thought it was his time to get paid.

Not even close to the same situation.

peppers does not believe the panther franchise can offer him what he needs to succeed. This was not Briggs' issue at all

[Mr. Scot]

lance did not lock up his team all spring and summer and Pep most likely will and therefore was an easier decision for his GM.

Plus Lance was a money thing was it not? He thought it was his time to get paid.

Not even close to the same situation.

peppers does not believe the panther franchise can offer him what he needs to succeed. This was not Briggs' issue at all

Lance Briggs declared that there was no way he'd play for the Bears again. He made it plain that he didn't want to be there and insisted that he be traded to another team. Using your logic, the Bears should have just let him walk since he didn't want to be there.

They didn't, and now he's back, producing and happy. Similar stories can be told about Walter Jones, Chad Johnson and others. The franchise tag works.

Mind you, I don't think the Peppers saga has the same ending, but what it makes clear is that you don't let a guy walk out the door just because he says "I don't want to play here".

[Fireball77]

Donovin Darius is another example, Mr Scot. I WILL NEVA EVA PLAY FOR JAX AGAIN!11!1

[carolinarolls]

Lance Briggs declared that there was no way he'd play for the Bears again. He made it plain that he didn't want to be there and insisted that he be traded to another team. Using your logic, the Bears should have just let him walk since he didn't want to be there.

They didn't, and now he's back, producing and happy. Similar stories can be told about Walter Jones, Chad Johnson and others. The franchise tag works.

Mind you, I don't think the Peppers saga has the same ending, but what it makes clear is that you don't let a guy walk out the door just because he says "I don't want to play here".

Tha is not my logic at all.

Tagging pep locked us up

Tagging lance did not lock up the Chicago

Lance wanted money, money Chicago felt they could get to him later and smooth things over.

Carolina has nothing that will make Peppers happy

These are not the same.. Why are you posturing like they are. I do not think you are this dumb. Don't prove me wrong.

[carolinarolls]

Everybody who thinks that Julius Peppers is going to turn into a happy camper is dreaming. I believe he must hate Carolina worse now than when he made his original statement.

[panthers55]

Crolls,

Pepers is not jamming us up anymore than he did last year. He costs us 2.7 million while the cap went up 8 million. We have more money to spend than last year but have chosen to spend it locking up Gamble and Gross for example. We will get 2 or 3 million with Jake. We can get more if we want to with Smith and some other guys. We aren't spending because we don't want to pay the asking prices for the guys who are out there. Our restraint is by our own choosing. So to say we are srewing ourselves or causing ourselves problems is not echoed by the front office or anyone else.

How about trying a different line of reasoning. This dog don't hunt!!

As for leaving for a legitimate reason, most pundits and experts don't know what he is thinking or why. But they don't say it is anything we are doing. My take on it is he is lazy and wants to get his numbers without working so hard. He figures in an offense like Dallas or NE he won't be the main focus of other teams and he can get his numbers without working so hard.

Am I right? I don't have a clue but it makes as much sense as the fact that the defense is flawed and is the problem. I figure it is him and always has been.