Steelers DL Coach Agrees With Pep

[Snake]

Honestly, a run heavy offense like the Panthers run can really wear down a 3-4 if you execute properly. That's how the Packers killed us in 96.

Every set has its advantages and disadvantages IMO. There is no great ONE that why I feel its so silly that Pep thinks he would be better used in the 3-4 when he has not even came close to the play of some DEs before him.

[Mr. Scot]

Every set has its advantages and disadvantages IMO. There is no great ONE that why I feel its so silly that Pep thinks he would be better used in the 3-4 when he has not even came close to the play of some DEs before him.

I think he blames the scheme because the alternative would be to accept that some of the fault might fall on him, and that just can't possibly be true

[panthers55]

I honestly don't understand this thought. They have no first rounder, there is a pool of $$ just for teams to sign their rooks that is part of the cap. How would whatever happens with Pep rule out anyone they want to draft with their current stable of picks? Since you later stated that you would be happy with a second rounder for him, it can't be because you think the first round pick could be restricted to a certain position due to what Pep is getting.

Hey P55...remember when you and I had this conversation almost 2 years ago over lunch about the possibility Pep could/should be franchised this year?

I guess some of us are forward thinkers and big picture folks. I guess if we thought this could happen then the FO must have also.

[carolinarolls]

Why weren't you bitching last year about Hurney when Pep counted 14 mill against the cap? It's only 2.7 mill more this year.

ummmm, because peppers gave every intention of wanting to play here last season.

It's not about the money to me or to him. It's about what he wants to do and the relative effort/execution/commitment that coincides with those wishes.

Moreover, its the potential for less effort/execution/commitment WITH the 17 million locked up because a player was "forced" to stay against his wishes.

I don't think he is worth anything big to any other teams considering all circumstances. If he is, they will drag it out forever and throw every borderline, shadow of doubt at us in negotiation IF we ever get the chance to negotiate which is firmly in the (jilted) player and agent's hands for as long as they want.

How Hurney ever saw this working out positively is beyond me and I readily admit that.

pool of money here and pool of money there

scouting players everyday

no big fish in free agency

bullshit..this is smoke to make us feel better

right now the Panther FO is pissing up a rope trying to determine not only whether a prospect is right to target but whether or not they will ever have a legit shot at acquiring him.

[Skew]

Well, I can see your point. But Hanesworth had his best season after being tagged. Granted, he didn't say he want out of Tenn.

If Peppers had not publicly said he wanted out and just kept it between him and the FO, everyone would have looked at this differently.

He and his agent screwed up by mentioning that and saying he only wants to play for 4 teams.

[carolinarolls]

Well, I can see your point. But Hanesworth had his best season after being tagged. Granted, he didn't say he want out of Tenn.

If Peppers had not publicly said he wanted out and just kept it between him and the FO, everyone would have looked at this differently.

He and his agent screwed up by mentioning that and saying he only wants to play for 4 teams.

Maybe they screwed up, MAYBE they wanted out of there. It's clearly not about money. He wants out or he would not have said as much.

This is a pissing contest between Pep and the Panthers after Pep has been very clear and so far very respectful.

Marty made it worse IMO and he did so because he knew the message "pep wants out" sends to the masses.

Q) If it's not about money, then what is it really about?

A) nothing that makes the Panthers organization look good.

[Skew]

It's obvious it's not about the money. He wants out. But where Pep and his agent f*cked up was by going public knowing full well the Panthers could franchise him. He had to know that if that happenned, the fan base would turn on him.

That's why they shouldn't have gone public.

[Mr. Scot]

It's obvious it's not about the money. He wants out. But where Pep and his agent f*cked up was by going public knowing full well the Panthers could franchise him. He had to know that if that happenned, the fan base would turn on him.

That's why they shouldn't have gone public.

I'd agree, but I'd also add there's another issue that could be of bigger concern.

Fanbases all over might be nuts about getting him, but when you read comments from coaches and front office types (like the one in the posted article) you could cut the indifference with a knife.

They may just be playing their hand (we all know Hurney does it) but if I were Carey I'd be at least a little concerned.

Overriding conventional wisdom is that a trade happens close to draft day. That's till my take as well.

[carolinarolls]

It's obvious it's not about the money. He wants out. But where Pep and his agent f*cked up was by going public knowing full well the Panthers could franchise him. He had to know that if that happenned, the fan base would turn on him.

That's why they shouldn't have gone public.

Going public was smart in my opinion. Franchising him is a risk as much for them as it was for him. He gave the "4 teams" comment (in my opinion) as a final warning that if they tagged him, he was not going to be easy to deal with. I think he has every right to be what they and some of us deem difficult seeing as he has fulfilled his obligations and has brought a ton to this team over his career. Tagging him was a punk move altogether born of greed and pride. Trying to blame Pep for anything other than him not having faith in the franchise is ridiculous to me.

I doubt that fan's opinion played much of a factor.

[panthers55]

Again he said he wanted out and wouldn't sign a longterm contract because he didn't want us to franchise him. How much of that is truth and how much of that is a negotiating issue is up for discussion. If he wanted out at all costs he would have signed his tender and said trade me. By putting conditions on it like who I will play for and what scheme, he is saying that I want to go to a team that plays my style and will be a Superbowl contender. That is what he wants but may not get it. So the question will become whether he would prefer to play here in a 4-3 for a contender or play for a team like KC or Denver who play a 3-4, may be rebuilding and will pay him 8 or 9 million a year at most.

I expect that with each passing day and surely if the draft comes and goes, he will be reconsidering playing here next year.

[carolinarolls]

Again he said he wanted out and wouldn't sign a longterm contract because he didn't want us to franchise him. How much of that is truth and how much of that is a negotiating issue is up for discussion. If he wanted out at all costs he would have signed his tender and said trade me. By putting conditions on it like who I will play for and what scheme, he is saying that I want to go to a team that plays my style and will be a Superbowl contender. That is what he wants but may not get it. So the question will become whether he would prefer to play here in a 4-3 for a contender or play for a team like KC or Denver who play a 3-4, may be rebuilding and will pay him 8 or 9 million a year at most.

I expect that with each passing day and surely if the draft comes and goes, he will be reconsidering playing here next year.

No.

I do not agree.

He does not believe this team IS a contender.

He is not wanting more money. A different scheme is one of a couple of "excuses" he has thrown out there. He is not going to allow Marty Hurney to ship him somewhere of their choosing. He does not feel he owes them anything and may even feel like he has wasted a part of his career. I can only assume that though.

He wants out and the reasons do not shed anything positive on Carolina as a franchise. They tag him out of spite and greed. He sits on the tender.

The end..we're fvcked

[carolinarolls]

Basically he could have walked and made deals for himself

or

He could not sgn his tender and make deals for himself

the advantage of the latter..maybe we get a pick or two..MAYBE

the disadvantage..we don't have a clue what we'll get..maybe nothing, and we are an afterthought in the mean time.

NOT WORTH IT

[panthers55]

Going public was smart in my opinion. Franchising him is a risk as much for them as it was for him. He gave the "4 teams" comment (in my opinion) as a final warning that if they tagged him, he was not going to be easy to deal with. I think he has every right to be what they and some of us deem difficult seeing as he has fulfilled his obligations and has brought a ton to this team over his career. Tagging him was a punk move altogether born of greed and pride. Trying to blame Pep for anything other than him not having faith in the franchise is ridiculous to me.

I doubt that fan's opinion played much of a factor.

So now franchising is a punk move? How many teams franchised a guy this year? Better yet, how many didn't? Teams all franchise players and if peppers really thought we wouldn't franchise him then he and his agent are plain stupid.

You don't really expect to be taken seriously making that kind of statement do you?? What is ridiculous is that you give credence to Peppers to do what he wants under the premise that this is a business and he fulfilled his contract, etc, but don't give the team the ability to exercise their rights under the CBA which Peppers and all players agreed to. If this is a business, it cuts both ways.

[panthers55]

No.

I do not agree.

He does not believe this team IS a contender.

He is not wanting more money. A different scheme is one of a couple of "excuses" he has thrown out there. He is not going to allow Marty Hurney to ship him somewhere of their choosing. He does not feel he owes them anything and may even feel like he has wasted a part of his career. I can only assume that though.

He wants out and the reasons do not shed anything positive on Carolina as a franchise. They tag him out of spite and greed. He sits on the tender.

The end..we're fvcked

Basically he could have walked and made deals for himself

or

He could not sgn his tender and make deals for himself

the advantage of the latter..maybe we get a pick or two..MAYBE

the disadvantage..we don't have a clue what we'll get..maybe nothing, and we are an afterthought in the mean time.

NOT WORTH IT

You seem to be taking the approach of throwing up crap on the website and hoping something sticks.

He couldn't have walked we have his rights. If he doesn't sign the tender he doesn't play in 2009.

How do you know what he wants? Have you actually talked to him? Do you believe that his agent isn't spinning things or saying things to influence the outcome. Do you believe everything they say?

If you get any further out on the limb, you are going to fall and hurt yourself. :icon_bs: