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I think A LOT of it is based off of the whopper contract given to D-Will and the inherent expectation that he would be featured.

I think he will be. He has more attempts than Stewart and almost twice as many yards. The issue has been trying to run him between the tackles and against 8 and 9 in the box. The last game we were able to get him in space and on the edges with good effect. I figure that Chud is still trying to figure it what he should do. Hopefully there are more 100 yard rushing games in his future.

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sounds about right.. that money could have been spent better and so far DWill has been absent from games, minus this past week.

It isn't Williams. It is better play calling and teams playing safeties deep to protect against the deep ball. That gets Williams on the edges and opens up the running game a lot.

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Right now our passing to rushing ratio is 62% to 38%. Why all the angst over 2%. To be 60-40 we would need to run the ball 1 more time a game.

I think perception seems to be the problem here, not reality.

You are including Cams numbers. Considering we have Stewart and Dwill why in the hell do we have so many carries as designed Cam runs? I could understand in the 1st couple of weeks when they weren't effective but you are asking a lot of a rookie to be your O. Everyone just assumes nothing will happen to him on these runs. He is far to important to be both our run and our pass games.

This week was our most effective, non Cam, running game. Our RB's had 16 carries compared to 7 for Cam. He passed 31 times and this was one of the most balance games. If your fine with risking our only bright spot on this team fine. I just think its stupid considering we have so much talent at RB. BTW I did say at least.

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I don't know what happened to Goodson, so I guess my opinion has been muffled a bit, but Stew has done well and with defenses protecting the deep ball, that only helps his cause.. that doesn't really explain where DWill has been the last few weeks..

of course DWill is dangerous in space and great to have him on the team, but we could have lowered that contract quite a bit..

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You are including Cams numbers. Considering we have Stewart and Dwill why in the hell do we have so many carries as designed Cam runs? I could understand in the 1st couple of weeks when they weren't effective but you are asking a lot of a rookie to be your O. Everyone just assumes nothing will happen to him on these runs. He is far to important to be both our run and our pass games.

This week was our most effective, non Cam, running game. Our RB's had 16 carries compared to 7 for Cam. He passed 31 times and this was one of the most balance games. If your fine with risking our only bright spot on this team fine. I just think its stupid considering we have so much talent at RB. BTW I did say at least.

simple really.. look at that option play, the 2nd time it was called.. Cam is a threat to run and defenses have more headaches since they know we'll run him. That opens up our run game and our pass game.

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You are including Cams numbers. Considering we have Stewart and Dwill why in the hell do we have so many carries as designed Cam runs? I could understand in the 1st couple of weeks when they weren't effective but you are asking a lot of a rookie to be your O. Everyone just assumes nothing will happen to him on these runs. He is far to important to be both our run and our pass games.

This week was our most effective, non Cam, running game. Our RB's had 16 carries compared to 7 for Cam. He passed 31 times and this was one of the most balance games. If your fine with risking our only bright spot on this team fine. I just think its stupid considering we have so much talent at RB. BTW I did say at least.

Why is Cam running the ball? You think being 6'5" and 250 lbs has anything to do with it?? May be having 4.6 speed and having 5 rushing TDs might have something to do with it.

Why would you not design some runs on third and short or in the redzone. With him running it you don't even have to worry about the problem about a fumbled handoff to the back.

As for getting hurt, he is much more likely to get hurt in the pocket getting blindsided versus seeing the hit coming while on the run. So far the only injury he has suffered was a twisted ankle while he was in the pocket. What is stupid is risking him getting hurt in a static pocket instead of getting him in space and rolling him out where he can run or pass.

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Eye ball test. Williams is simply running better. As he mentioned on his little show.....coaches told him to quit trying to dance around people and focus on splitting the defense. I think that is why his "burst" seems to of returned.......

hate was never at Williams.....just the fact money and talent is invested in the backfield when we are now a passing team.

so williams is simply running better,

Guess you are ignoring how improved the run blocking is.

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We are balanced in that we can do whatever we want on offense depending on what the defense thinks they need to stop. 8 in the box? We can throw on ya all day long if we have to. And if they don't we can get 5 yards a pop all day. That 3rd and 2 call was because they were all out blitzing for the run up the middle and smith was one on one..just a bad throw. We are making defenses have to actually to pick how we should beat them..but we can do it either way imo.

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so williams is simply running better,

Guess you are ignoring how improved the run blocking is.

didn't say the run blocking isn't better.....but it is without question Williams is running different. Williams himself admits the coaches told him to quit looking to dance so much and focus more on trying to split the D. That explains his burst at the line of scrimmage he has shown that was no existant to start the season.

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You seem to forget that we are not a west coast 4 and 5 wide receiver set offense. Green Bay does not run the same system that we do so using them to discuss our situation is not an apple to apples comparison. Secondly they do have 2 good running backs- Starks and Grant who have 57 and 39 carries respectively. Compare that to Williams and Stewart who have 47 and 37 carries respectively.

Green Bay is built on 3 and 4 wide looks and frequent use of a tight end like Finley. They stretch the field largely horizontally with some deep passing. We on the other hand stretch the field vertically with more deep passing and some working to the edges. We run a 12 or 22 personnel and only on third down or the 2 minute offense do we run an empty backfield. All passing attacks don't require 4 or 5 wide receivers. We do have 4 receivers on the field much of the time but that includes 2 wides and 2 tight ends.

Chud does not run a Green Bay style offense and instead typically uses tight ends as primary receivers. So we are really configured just as our offense is supposed to run. We don't need 5 wide receivers because we don't run those sets. Even in 5 wide sets we typically put Olsen out wide and often put a running back in the slot along with 3 wide receivers.

Again we are 5 games into the season and are still installing the offense and developing chemistry. Compare us to teams in the same boat not ones like Green Bay who are running the same scheme for years and have had no turnover in coaching or personnel.

Lastly I don't know how you can decide what our offense will look like after 5 games or whether we are running too much or too little. Even within that time span our offense has changed quite a bit. In the first 2 games the defense put 9 guys in the box and running was difficult at best. In the last 2, the defenses have played more cover 2 and kept 7 in the box after they decided that Newton would burn them. Consequently we have run more with better success. Right now we are ranked in the top half in rushing yards at 116 yards a game which is 13th.

I fully realize we aren't running the same scheme as GB....doesn't change the fact our current roster around Cam still is more suited for a running offense than a passing one.

How much was invested in Starks/Grant....in terms of draft picks and contracts. Starks/Grant is a perfect example of my point.....you don't need 2 1st round draft picks w/ big contracts in today's NFL......

and yes, we are 5 games in and installing the new scheme....but the days of needing to invest like we did under Fox in the RB position are over. They simply don't get the reps for it to be worth it. Money is now better spent to fit the passing league (and money can be spent on both sides of the ball in regards to keeping up w/ the this passing era of football)

Williams (once he deemed a "starter)

2008 - averaged 18.4 touches a game

2009 - averaged 18.5 touches a game

2010 - averaged 16.3 touches a game

2011 (big contract) - averages 10.6 touches a game.

It is nothing against DeAngleo...but you don't spend more to make someone a smaller part of your offense. No reason to believe that DeAngelo's role is going to get bigger......new direction.

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