The myth of the new coach success.

[monstercat]

Just a quick observation, but outside of a few teams, it seems like a lot of teams that got a new coach and had a poor record (Lions, Bucs) are the ones that are now looking good. Where as the new coaches that had a good record (Colts, Cowboys, kind of Steelers) look to be on the downside.

Schwartz had nothing like us, and is building it into a solid team that's undefeated right now. Rivera is starting with little, and getting us very competitive.

Coaches that got lucky, seem to have inherited an older team and are now fading away a bit.

This is all in week 4 though, so we'll see how things keep going.

Yeah, I was just thinking about this too. Who cares if you get a short term bump if you can't have long term success?

I firmly believe that Rivera is setting up the Carolina Panthers to be a contender year in and year out. I would rather have that than to have one good season, get waxed in the play offs, and then fade away. Hell, we had that with John Fox.

You also have to look at schedules. How many 2-14 teams have to play the hardest schedule in the league the very next season. I'm not sure I have ever seen that happen before.

[KBRed]

Last Year: AGH! John Fox sucks! Jimmy sucks! Without them we'd be a good team!

This year: Well, uh, I mean the team went 2-14 last year. Clearly you lack perspective. (See: Irony)

We are a good team. If you need a winning record to see that...:cool:

[Happy Panther]

sweet keep spamming threads with hardly any effort in them.

the signal:noise ratio is already like .01, with your help we can go all the way.

There is more effort in this thread than pretty much any you will see.

You know, actually pulling numbers from the internet and stuff. Trying to make a case through analysis and debate. That sort of thing.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Yeah CatsGrowl, you were totally and whole heartedly impressed with John Fox and Jimmy Clausens performance last year. Clap clap clap.

It's like he's trying to speak to me.

[rayzor]

you mind adding to that the previous years record? you know...for proper context and perspective, or do you have a problem with that idea since it won't back up your idea that everything sucks.

[sml1950]

Thread seems a little premature. How many of the teams started 1-3 after being together for less than 10 weeks. If we beat NO next week we could be 1 game out of division lead. If they tighen up the STs and don't lose anyone else to injury, there's still a chance of going worst to first. Crazier things have happened. We've had the ball with a chance to win late in the 4thQ of each game and this experience will be invaluable going forward. Eventually, they'll figure it out and when they do, anything is possible.

[TheRed]

It's like he's trying to speak to me.

I'm a fan just like you or anyone else here.

I guess the difference is I can think clearly and not be emotional to the brink of stupidity.

[Sloth]

All new coaches start with exactly the same level of talent, play the same schedule, deal with the same injuries and unknowns. Their starting situations are damn near identical.

It makes it very easy to do a quick, unbiased line comparison to rank them.

[Happy Panther]

you mind adding to that the previous years record? you know...for proper context and perspective, or do you have a problem with that idea since it won't back up your idea that everything sucks.

Already pointed to plenty of previous records that back up the point.

In this thread even.

Falcons were 4-12 before Smith came

Ravens were 5-11

Dolphins were 1-15

Titans 6-10 last year

So were the 49ers

[Jesse]

Did any of these coaches have a 2-14 team from scratch?

[rayzor]

Already pointed to plenty of previous records that back up the point.

In this thread even.

do it for all of them.

[Mr. Scot]

Did any of these coaches have a 2-14 team from scratch?

Now Jerome...

[theyhateme45]

The Hypocrisy on this board is crazy!!!!

It’s soooo funny how everyone can defend our coaching staff, talk about it’s only a few games, injuries, rebuilding, etc etc… talk about why we can’t compare ourselves to Harbaugh in San fran (All arguments I agree with)

BUT then turn around ad bash the Broncos and John fox who’s also 1-3!!

The only difference is we sucked last year a little more than they did so we got Cam, and didn’t have to play Jimmy again this year… while they are stuck with trash at QB. Denver’s season is what ours may have been had we not sucked enough to be in position to draft Cam. Now if they get a top QB next year… new story. When you don’t have talent @ the QB position it’s hard to win… that’s why both of our teams stunk it up last year…

QB can make or break your team… it’s why the colts go from super bowl contender to Andrew luck sweepstake with the same coach!

[Jesse]

Now Jerome...

What?

Anyways, I looked it up and Todd Haley inherited a 2-14 and they ended up 4-12 in 2008. 4-14 is not realistic, however, a 7-9 team is with the talent Cam brings to the field.