Testy locker room; Shockey pissed per Reed

[TheOracle]

Now:

Eric_Edholm

Cam Newton and Greg Olsen had a *very* minor kerfuffle when Olsen consoled rook after loss. Newton didn't react well. CN apoligized through media.

We HAVE to come together or else the plane could completely spiral out of control

Wow. That's not good since Olsen was just trying to be a good teammate. Cam has to be more professional than that. This isn't an amateur league any more. It's a business, and yes, you want to win, and that's what you get paid to do, but you have to handle losses professionally. Everyone knows you "want" to win. That's not an excuse.

[Cape Fear Cat]

...You're making it look like 89 is going to shank Legedu...

I don't know why, but that image just popped into my head and made me giggle a little bit:)

[TheOracle]

That was no moral victory. That was a bitter, bitter defeat.

These are moral victories only if you've bought into the myth that this season is about "Cam's development", as if Cam is the team. Maybe The Mac Attack, On the Beat, Bustin Loose, and The Drive have convinced a lot of people otherwise.

They know they've BLOWN four games, and they're pissed about it as they should be.

[rippadonn]

Not having Gettis, Beason and Davis really hurts and it shows today. They ran up through Connors gap a couple times Forte was getting into the secondary at will.

Clearly Brandon LaFell deserves the #2 spot in the absence of David Gettis.

[mav1234]

They know they've BLOWN four games, and they're pissed about it as they should be.

four games? did I miss something?

[ItsPantone278]

Not having Gettis, Beason and Davis really hurts and it shows today. They ran up through Connors gap a couple times Forte was getting into the secondary at will.

Clearly Brandon LaFell deserves the #2 spot in the absence of David Gettis.

Lets not forget we signed this guy Ron Edwards that we lost in training camp.

[TheOracle]

Exactly.

This team knows that they can win NOW. Coaches and players need to get their asses in gear.

Incorrect. They've known they could win since before the first game. That's why they're in the league. You're listening to the media's opinion about what they are capable of. This team is full of players who have done it and won.

Human beings have a terrible habit of trying to place limits on others based on your own perceptions and limits. These are pros, not fans or bloviators.

They don't believe any team on their schedule is any better than they are.

[rico6]

Incorrect. They've known they could win since before the first game. That's why they're in the league. You're listening to the media's opinion about what they are capable of. This team is full of players who have done it and won.

Human beings have a terrible habit of trying to place limits on others based on your own perceptions and limits. These are pros, not fans or bloviators.

They don't believe any team on their schedule is any better than they are.

How is this any different from what I've said, boy?

[TheOracle]

um...Didn't Chud call a game in which the offense racked up over 500+ yards of total offense and scored 29 points?:rolleyes:

So 29 points and 500+ yards of offense is a moral victory to you, when it wasn't enough to win. The run Defense and Special Teams suck, but if the Panthers hadn't missed out on two attainable TDs, Chicago loses this game because they abandon the run and start throwing it.

[TheOracle]

How is this any different from what I've said, boy?

The word "NOW" was the most important word in your post, so my post is completely different, since I said they've known since before Game 1, which is clearly not the same as:cool: "NOW".

[TheOracle]

This is a good thing! This is what happens when you have a bunch of guys who hate to lose. I'm sure Olsen didn't take it personal.

Whether he took it personally depends on what Cam said and how he said it. Some people have a personality where people always take things they say more seriously than they should. I'm one of those types of people, and Cam looks like he could be one too.

I can't even joke with some people, because they take everything I say literally, whereas most other people can say the same thing and they believe they're joking even if they aren't.

Happens all the time. :toetap05:

[rico6]

The word "NOW" was the most important word in your post, so my post is completely different, since I said they've know since before Game 1, which is clearly not the same as:cool: "NOW".

I'm gon r@pe u

[TheOracle]

Yes because Chud was the one responsbile who had an illegal formation that took us out of FG position. Chud was the one responsible for the low throw from Cam that smith couldn't pull in. Chud was responsbile for Nanaee playing without hands. Chud was responsible for the ref throwing that bogus flag against shockey.

Listen, i'm all for running the ball some more in the redzone, however Chud is the least of our worries. He trusts cam to make plays, and through four games Cam is making the bulk of them. Cam still needs to develop in the redzone and our backs need to be more involved.

He was responsible for all of it. He's the offensive coordinator, he needs to "coordinate" pass and run offense, because their running backs are just as capable as their quarterback is.

You've had 3 games to see the passing struggles in the redzone. Your running game was working today, and you abandoned the downhill runs even though they were the most successful ones. It's almost like he's still in experimentation-mode.

So, yes, I do blame him. Forte got 25 carries. DeAngelo got 10...for 82 yards. Stewart got 8 for 52, but neither got many in the 2nd half. Why is that?

There should have been some runs in the redzone from someone other than the QB.

[panthers55]

I find people who complain about our playcalling or our offense ridiculous. We go from a team that can't generate 300 yards of total offense and averages 12 points a game to one that generates over 400 yards a game and 22 points. Then we have people bitching about the running game that generated almost 200 yards today. Seems some of the major complainers are guys who dislike Newton and want something to complain about because we lost. Somehow it is the playcalling that made Smitty drop the ball or threw the flag at Shockey. If we score those 14 points, we win and the fan base is not testy which just mirrors the lockerroom.

People want to blame someone for the loss. Yeah there are plenty of worthy candidates but in the end we didn't make enough plays to win.

But 29 points is enough to win, any way you look at it. Giving Chicago 34 points was almost criminal. They should be pissed.