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Since Jake's contract is up after this season, who will be our QB in 2010?

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panthers55 Grand Master

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P55, do you ever get tired of trying to stamp out the stupidity around here? Sometimes it feels like trying to fight a forest fire with a garden hose.

I could handle the revisionist history if folks didn't say the same thing over and over even after it was proven incorrect. Want to guess how many more times the front office will get slammed in another thread for not trading Peppers to Denver even though it is abundantly clear that we can't even initiate talks with anyone until Peppers either signs his tender or brings it to us.:D

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Bruce Wayne Newbie

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I thought Luke McCown played in Arizona and Josh McCown (the current Panther) had his starting experience in Miami?

Luke McCown was drafted by the Browns and then traded to the Bucs. Josh McCown was drafted by Arizona and was given the starting job and failed.

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Yeah that's right. Moore was playing so poorly and was such a bad guy that I am sure it had nothing to do with the fact that we traded for McCown a day after Matt Moore was injured in the last preseason game of the year. I am sure the injury had nothing to do with it and it was purely a coincidence.

Seems the addition was more an indictment of Basanez who was released than it was on Moore who is still here.

I didn't say he was playing poorly but what I am saying is that even after he came off of injury he still wasn't promoted to 2nd QB over Josh McCown.

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Luke McCown was drafted by the Browns and then traded to the Bucs. Josh McCown was drafted by Arizona and was given the starting job and failed.

I admit that I couldn't remember which McCown played in Arizona but I do remember him playing fairly well. During that time in Arizona it wasn't the play of the QB that was the problem but rather the fact they had no run game and their o-line was horrible.

I broke down and googled Josh McCown. He had some really good games as a passer agaisnt some good team.

Has produced four career 300-yard passing performances.

Has directed three career game-winning drives in which the decisive points were scored in the fourth quarter or overtime.

Registered a single-game high with a 125.2 quarterback rating and matched single-game high with three touchdowns versus Denver (12/2/07).

Utilized at wide receiver for Detroit in 2006 and has three career receptions for 10 yards.

Generated two of the four highest passing totals in the NFL during the 2005 season for Arizona with 385 yards versus San Francisco (10/2/05) and 398 yards versus Carolina (10/9/05).

Amassed a single-game high 398 yards on 29-of-46 passing with two touchdowns for Arizona versus Carolina (10/9/05).

Recorded single-game highs of 32 completions and 46 attempts for Arizona versus San Francisco (10/2/05).

Posted career highs of 14 games played, 13 starts, 408 attempts, 233 completions, 2,511 yards and 11 touchdowns for Arizona in 2004.

Compiled a single-game high 76.92 completion percentage on 20-of-26 passing for Arizona at Atlanta (9/26/04), completing a career-best 13 consecutive passes in the game.

Threw a career-long 60-yard pass for a touchdown to wide receiver Anquan Boldin for Arizona at Seattle (12/21/03).

That doesn't really speak for his intangables but as far as his skill level he seems capable.

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panthers55 Grand Master

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I didn't say he was playing poorly but what I am saying is that even after he came off of injury he still wasn't promoted to 2nd QB over Josh McCown.

Fox isn't likely to do that given that Moore would have been inactive for at least 8 weeks, out of football shape and needing to rehab the leg to gain lost strength. You don't exactly go from getting out of the cast to jumping in as the first backup. By now we are talking November and most of the season is over. Lets see how they do in training camp and where everyone stands in August. Still I think that McCown is better than some of you obviously do. In a run first offense I think he could do fairly well.

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Oh really? I guess that wasn't Peete that was playing all of 2002 for Fox. Maybe he knew he was going to make a change given Jake's long history of starting and proven track record prior to 2003.

I guess adding a number 1 guy in David Carr wasn't a move to find a potential replacement since he obviously knew Jake had been hurt since 2005. After all Carr was just like Jake when he came here, no starting experience and simply a depth guy.

Oh Wait...............

Nevermind!

What does that have to do with anything? Fox obviously loved Jake from Day 1 or he wouldn't have pulled Peete like he did.

Flashback to Opening Day 2007 against the Rams. If Jake had stunk it up in the first half of that game, do you really think we would have seen him replaced with Carr in the second half?

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What does that have to do with anything? Fox obviously loved Jake from Day 1 or he wouldn't have pulled Peete like he did.

Flashback to Opening Day 2007 against the Rams. If Jake had stunk it up in the first half of that game, do you really think we would have seen him replaced with Carr in the second half?

He couldn't love what he didn't know he had. If you remember back to then, the reason jake was the third stringer was because Jake didn't have very good practices or a preseason. But Fox was coming off a 7-9 season, Peete was playing awful and Fox recognized that Jake has some intangibles and decided to see what he could do in a game he may have thought was lost already. So he gave him a look and was very pleasantly surprised.

As for opening day 2007- that is a pure hypothetical so who can say. Jake was very good and we won. In fact he was having the best year of his career when it was shortened so abruptly. So I can't see how that is relevant.

While we are dealing in hypotheticals, if we traded for Cutler and still had Jake and Jake is doing poorly at halftime of the first game, does he put in Cutler or stay loyal to Jake? Does Jake even start or does Fox pick the best guy available as he says he will?

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Yeah. After all when Peete got pulled Delhomme was the second on the depth chart.

Oh wait....... he was third on the depth chart.............

Nevermind.

I said that because Fox tried to sign McCown before as well as this tidbit of info.

"We followed him in Detroit and followed him Oakland and we talked about him this past offseason, (fox on McCown.)

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Jake's done a lot for the franchise...good and bad, but in a season that saw Andy Reid bench McNabb in a regular season game; I just can't figure why Fox wouldn't have done the same thing in a playoff game? Was he worried about hurting his ego for next season?

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