Cam has some respect around the league

[the butch]

The fact Vick is listed as #5 makes it irrelevant, I'd take Suh and Andre over Vick any-day.

ha! i agree. still, after 3 games. that's wild. and why players want to build around peyton's and brees' old arses is beyond me.

[YoungPanthers89]

Chris johnson? shitting me right?

[Double34Trouble28]

So we are now starting franchises with 35 year old QBs with neck issues? Love Peyton, but maybe I'm misinterpreting the name of the game here.

Anyway, Matt Ryan is a joke. You're seeing now what he's worth when he doesn't have a dominant running game.

[ItsPantone278]

that list is worst than indian food poo.. Anybody building a team around Matt Ryan better hope they play most their games in a dome... and oh.. if he is lucky enough to even sniff a super bowl better hope that poo is in a dome as well, otherwise it'll look like you've built a team around Alex Smith..

Why is Matt Stafford not on that list?.. he's dam sure better than fuggin Sam Bradford. You've got to be high on cat piss if you don't think he is one of the best young talents in the league. You think anybody in their right mind would build a team around Ryan, Bradford over Stafford. He and Cam are the two most explosive young arms in the league. I would take one of those two over anybody other than Brady, Rodgers, or Manning(if he was even healthy) to build my team around.

[teeray]

Raise hand by the people who thought Cam would be on that list through 3 games.

*if you raise your hand you are a liar

:seeya: yeah that's it, that's the ticket

[ItsPantone278]

You're exactly right. To be quite honest, Cam should probably be in the top 5. Even higher in a few years maybe?

If you were building today I would say: Rodgers, Brady, Stafford, Cam, AP, A. Johnson, Fitzgerald, C. Johnson, Dez Bryant, Ben Roethleswhatever, Vick, that other Manning, Run DMC, Brees, MJD..

[teeray]

Much respect

[Ricky Spanish]

brees and rivers need to be higher.

I wouldn't build a franchise around a rapist.

[fieryprophet]

If I had to pick, I'd have Cam and Aaron Rodgers as 1 and 1A. Rodgers is a consummate quarterback right now, with a lethal mix of strength, accuracy and mental makeup (and he's not in his 30s like Brady, Manning, etc.), but Cam could build himself into that kind of QB given time.

He'll probably never have Rodger's pin-point accuracy due to his footwork being off for much of his playing career, but it will probably be above average with a touch more velocity and nearly limitless range.

Contrary to popular perception, most NFL throws don't have to thread a needle anyways, just fit in a well-defined window that Cam has already shown he can hit repeatedly. If you're having to slot balls into six-inch spaces all the time your receivers are barely getting open and your team is probably not very good.

If Cam's immediate results are any indication of his ability to soak in plays and coaching, he could quickly become an brilliant field general as well, which is an extremely rare attribute that truly separates the "good" QBs from the "elite." Almost all current indications of his work ethic and dedication to studying makes me extremely optimistic about his future, so I can definitely see why players would want to build around him.

[ItsPantone278]

If I had to pick, I'd have Cam and Aaron Rodgers as 1 and 1A. Rodgers is a consummate quarterback right now, with a lethal mix of strength, accuracy and mental makeup (and he's not in his 30s like Brady, Manning, etc.), but Cam could build himself into that kind of QB given time. He'll probably never have Rodger's pin-point accuracy due to his footwork being off for much of his playing career, but it will probably be above average with a touch more velocity and nearly limitless range. Contrary to popular perception, most NFL throws don't have to thread a needle anyways, just fit in a well-defined window that Cam has already shown he can hit repeatedly. If you're having to slot balls into six-inch spaces all the time your receivers are barely getting open and your team is probably not very good. If Cam's immediate results are any indication of his ability to soak in plays and coaching, he could quickly become an brilliant field general as well, which is an extremely rare attribute that truly separates the "good" QBs from the "elite." Almost all current indications of his work ethic and dedication to studying makes me extremely optimistic about his future, so I can definitely see why players would want to build around him.

I saw this as:

[Grammer]

i laughed when i saw that matt ryans picture was him fumbling

[micnificent28]

So half the board thinks vick is not a franchise qb because he's been banged up alittle this season. How quickly we forget how he almost won mvp last year. The fact that vick was singled out when no one is pointing the finger at philp rivers struggles says alot.

[fieryprophet]

Good post. It's easier to read this way.

I stole your format and edited my post :)

[fieryprophet]

So half the board thinks vick is not a franchise qb because he's been banged up alittle this season. How quickly we forget how he almost won mvp last year. The fact that vick was singled out when no one is pointing the finger at philp rivers struggles says alot.

I wouldn't say Vick is not a franchise QB, it just depends how far into the future you're projecting your franchise QB to be around (which I why I don't think Manning, Brady or Brees should be on that list, since they'll likely be either retired or performing much more poorly than they are currently within the next five or six years.)

Vick is on the wrong side of 30, and still relies to a degree on his mobility which will gradually wane sooner than later. But his current struggles have more to do with his terrible o-line and some bad strokes of luck, plus other teams scheming to take him out rather than beat him.

His passing skills have improved nicely, but they are still not on an elite level that would be required if his mobility declines substantially. I think he will continue to progress though, I just wouldn't make him a franchise QB if I wanted him to still be performing at a high level in five years.