A few thoughts everyone should remember about Sunday

[chef17]

Flopping I'm done arguing with you man. I showed you actual documentation from every MAJOR source on the internet, from dictionary definitions, to wikipedia, to papers written by psychology students, to article experts written on the most popular websites such as Forbes as well as from numerous authors, psychologists, living or dead, from the godfather of psychology, Sigmund Freud, to modern writers of today's era like Maccoby.

They all say the same thing: Narcissists can become great leaders. The greatest leaders were narcissists.

From Alexander the Great, to Caesar, to recent athletes such as Ali. The majority of experts in the field, yes majority, would say the same thing. They were all narcissists. That is a fact.

That is the majority consensus no matter how bad you want to discredit it and that is what makes it, a fact. And the other fact is....you continue to pull your words out of your own ass and have yet to show me one psychologist, one author, or one piece of evidence....that would disagree with that.

Read that over and over until it sinks in. Yes narcissist can and always have had the potential for greatness. It goes hand in hand. You can feel confident now in saying that, even IF, the term is typically applied to talk about a negative disorder and that's all less informed people think of. You, my friend, are no longer part of that group now.

You learned something new. And honestly, if you didn't, I won't feel bad for not getting through to a brick wall. I've done all that I can.

The majority at one time thought the world was flat. Majority consensus doesn't make it fact.

[teeray]

Don't worry Chef. He still hasn't explained why he thinks Cam has an "infantile level of personality development" which is from the definition he provided. He is conflating egotism wth narcissism. Also all great leaders are not narcissists. That is a false statement. But whatever.

[PantherFanForLife]

Lol wut? :conehead:

He's a lost cause. He's actually displaying narcissistic traits at the moment and shows no empathetic consideration for my feelings or time I spent to inform him because his own ego......is crushed.

At the same time, I also show no empathetic consideration for any humility he may feel right now....because I am also displaying my own narcissistic traits....win the argument at any cost, especially when I know I'm right.

Which is what all narcissists do! And that's what you're going to see from Newton.

And then he'll brag about it and bask in the limelight of causing another human being emotional pain....see? narcissist...It's what those fuging bastards do!;)

And also the reason you should be happy, not upset or feel the need to defend Cam Newton being one!

[Floppin]

Alright listen, I'm going to explain this quick and simple now that I'm on my computer and not on my phone.

What I have a problem with is you spouting off psychological theory as fact, you are free to believe a minority, YES MINORITY, opinion on behavioral science, that's fine. It's not a fact, it never has been a fact, and more than likely will never be a fact. Psychology in general has very little "facts", that's why it is considered a modern science, and wasn't officially recognized until relatively modern times. It's all based on non-tangible quantities and behavioral theory. So when you talk about people, ESPECIALLY historical people, who have never had the benefit of a documented psychoanalysis, and start in with FACT FACT FACT, it's patently false.

Modern psychology presents the importance of narcissism, self absorption, in the construction of mental illness. Evidence of narcissism, indicates mental instability. Ambitious individuals have, from this perspective, damaged psyches. Freud saw Narcissism as a default mechanism, energy that should have been going outward being turned inward with destructive effects. It can be observed, if one chooses to do so, in a number of psychotic and sociopathic conditions.

Both psychiatry and psychoanalysis insist on the differentiation of human beings according to largely subjective categories, so ambition, success, exemplary achievement is re-classified within various terms denoting pathological behaviour.

[panthers55]

I fail to see how a narcissist can be a great team player. Someone who is "all about me" won't put the team first.

They aren't. But clearly PFFL seems to have a different definition of a narcissist than the clearly understood definition that the majority of us operate and is generally associated with the term.

Truth is that Smitty is clearly more of a narcisist than Newton and for many years he wasn't a team player nor did he put team goals above his own. More recently with age and wisdom he has turned that around somewhat and has changed his priorities.

[Floppin]

Richard Robins, a psychology professor at the University of California, Davis, states that earned self-confidence can be mistakenly dismissed as narcissistic. A narcissist’s self-confidence is inflated and superficial, masking a bottomless insecurity.

[PantherFanForLife]

Don't worry Chef. He still hasn't explained why he thinks Cam has an "infantile level of personality development" which is from the definition he provided. He is conflating egotism wth narcissism. Also all great leaders are not narcissists. That is a false statement. But whatever.

Yes don't worry chef...I'll just keep spinning and spinning.

But, fine let me answer your silly question, the original one, cause I see now you have resulted in spinning and blatantly putting words in my mouth saying I said things I never actually said. I'm assuming this is where you got it from.

nar·cis·sism

   /ˈnɑrsəˌsɪzɛm/ Show Spelled[nahr-suh-siz-em] Show IPA

noun

1.

inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity.

2.

Psychoanalysis . erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/narcissism

First note it's the second meaning of that definition. The phrase "infantile level of personality development" is not defining narcissism, nor a disease, it's referring to a starting point: when infants begin developing their personalities.(In other words when little kids see themselves and begin admiring their own bodies....it's normal....when adults are still in love with themselves it's narcissism).

You can't read, which is why I said it was silly. It's not something Cam can have. LMFAO!

And yes egotism and narcissism do happen to be synonyms, and sometimes it is defined as such.

Definition of NARCISSISM

1

: egoism, egocentrism

2

: love of or sexual desire for one's own body

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/narcissism

But it's a very simplistic definition.

And finally, that may very well be a false statement because I did my best to refrain from using the word all. Once again, nice spin.

Any other questions?

[frash.exe]

Definition of RETARD

1

: a mentally handicapped person

2

: PantherFanForLife

[Floppin]

The Narcissistic Personality Inventory test that Columbia’s Professor Ames gives includes 16 pairs of choices.

He tells executives the test can offer insight into how others perceive them, but is not an inherent predictor of success. High scorers often have an infectious energy, an intoxicating confidence; but they can be oblivious to advice and contemptuous of others.

Many people are condescending and self-involved, but they may not necessarily be narcissistic. Therapists say that to affix the label, the trait or the diagnosis, one must spend considerable time with the person. Determining that someone is a narcissist, Professor Ames adds, “is not something you can gauge from television."

[PantherFanForLife]

They aren't. But clearly PFFL seems to have a different definition of a narcissist than the clearly understood definition that the majority of us operate and is generally associated with the term.

Truth is that Smitty is clearly more of a narcisist than Newton and for many years he wasn't a team player nor did he put team goals above his own. More recently with age and wisdom he has turned that around somewhat and has changed his priorities.

That's just the thing. You are incorrect on that account. The general definition of narcissist is that which I posted from X amount of sources to show you that what you think, "the majority of you" is the accepted definition, is NOT in fact the general definition of narcissism.

It's simply put an admiration for oneself. That IS the clearly understood general and simple definition of a narcissist.

The definition you are confusing yourself with, is that of a person diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder.

[panthers55]

He's a lost cause. He's actually displaying narcissistic traits at the moment and shows no empathetic consideration for my feelings or time I spent to inform him because his own ego......is crushed.

At the same time, I also show no empathetic consideration for any humility he may feel right now....because I am also displaying my own narcissistic traits....win the argument at any cost, especially when I know I'm right.

Which is what all narcissists do! And that's what you're going to see from Newton.

And then he'll brag about it and bask in the limelight of causing another human being emotional pain....see? narcissist...It's what those fuging bastards do!;)

And also the reason you should be happy, not upset or feel the need to defend Cam Newton being one!

You have no idea what you are talking about. You are making nonsensical statements not rooted in psychological constructs. Wanting to win at any cost is not a telling sign of narcisism, it a sign of a highly competitive nature. Some highly competitive people are narcissists but not all. A narcisist would say he won the argument whether he did or not and want affirmation that he is correct by consensus from others. Narcissists don't bask in the pain of others (sadists and antisocial personalities do), narcissists minimize the pain of others by believing they are histrionic and rationalize that their own feelings are more important than those of the other person.

Sorry but reading a few articles and taking psych 101 in college don't qualify you to know much about psychology theory.

[chef17]

That's just the thing. You are incorrect on that account. The general definition of narcissist is that which I posted from X amount of sources to show you that what you think, "the majority of you" is the accepted definition, is NOT in fact the general definition of narcissism.

It's simply put an admiration for oneself. That IS the clearly understood general and simple definition of a narcissist.

The definition you are confusing yourself with, is that of a person diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder.

So based on this definition, anyone who admires themselves (which in my experience is most people) is a narcissist. So like I asked earlier, what is your point? Cam admires himself just like 90% of the world?

[PantherFanForLife]

Alright listen, I'm going to explain this quick and simple now that I'm on my computer and not on my phone.

What I have a problem with is you spouting off psychological theory as fact, you are free to believe a minority, YES MINORITY, opinion on behavioral science, that's fine. It's not a fact, it never has been a fact, and more than likely will never be a fact. Psychology in general has very little "facts", that's why it is considered a modern science, and wasn't officially recognized until relatively modern times. It's all based on non-tangible quantities and behavioral theory. So when you talk about people, ESPECIALLY historical people, who have never had the benefit of a documented psychoanalysis, and start in with FACT FACT FACT, it's patently false.

Modern psychology presents the importance of narcissism, self absorption, in the construction of mental illness. Evidence of narcissism, indicates mental instability. Ambitious individuals have, from this perspective, damaged psyches. Freud saw Narcissism as a default mechanism, energy that should have been going outward being turned inward with destructive effects. It can be observed, if one chooses to do so, in a number of psychotic and sociopathic conditions.

Both psychiatry and psychoanalysis insist on the differentiation of human beings according to largely subjective categories, so ambition, success, exemplary achievement is re-classified within various terms denoting pathological behaviour.

I didn't spout off psychological theory as fact.

The definition of the word narcissist, according to psychology is that which I stated a million times already. THAT IS THE FACT!!!

It also is, yes a fact that some of the greatest leaders in history were in fact narcissist, as defined by the term's meaning.

Where do YOU get your MAJORITY definition of the term NARCISSIST FROM? That's what I wanna know! You have yet to answer this! You keep spinning poo around.

[Floppin]

It also is, yes a fact that some of the greatest leaders in history were in fact narcissist, as defined by the term's meaning.

Not a fact, it's a supposition, a guess, a theory, a reach, an idea....NOT A FACT.