A few thoughts everyone should remember about Sunday

[pawsandclaws]

Something must be wrong with my bookmarks on Mozilla. I was trying to get on The Huddle.

How did it link to Psychology Today forum??

[teeray]

I'm not misusing the term, and I can tell you are not a psychologist. There are however a lot of others, that are indeed misusing the term, including yourself, and still ignorantly arguing with me about it instead of taking the 5 minutes it takes to read up on it a little bit and actually understand it. I will ask you again to just look up the FULL definition on wikipedia, Marriam-Webster, Dictionary.com and truly understand the term, before you tell me I'm not using it correctly.

Here I'll do it for you:

What you are saying:

Is incorrect. That is not what defines a narcissist and that is NOT what eliminates Newton from possibly being a narcissist. There are many different aspects and traits that make up a narcissist. They are not all the same. The simplest way to define a narcissist is simply a person that's in love with themselves, and an elitist. They think they are the greatest. Period. It doesn't mean they think they are perfect. It does mean they think they are great and strive and obsess with perfection. It doesn't prevent them from working hard. It doesn't prevent them from knowing not to pass on blame in an interview.

Again they are typically the greatest of leaders because they have the greatest of confidence! If they were unaware, or completely selfish, or what you are suggesting, they would never be the greatest leaders.

As for this part:

That's basically the concept behind a narcissist. And if you see Newton like Michael, then please understand, that's what I initially stated and yes, Michael Jordan is a narcissist. And so is Newton.

So you think Cam is at the "infantile level of personality development"? :lol:

The truth is that narcissists don't strive to be great because in their own mind they are already great and desire to be recognized as such.

[PantherFanForLife]

So you think Cam is at the "infantile level of personality development"? :lol:

The truth is that narcissists don't strive to be great because in their own mind they are already great and desire to be recognized as such.

The truth is I have already given you enough information, quotes, definition as well as my personal belief of Cam, to realize that if you still say something like that you just now come off as ignorant or silly.

[teeray]

The truth is I have already given you enough information, quotes, definition as well as my personal belief of Cam, to realize that if you still say something like that you just now come off as ignorant or silly.

What? The fact I said I generally agreed with your sentiment but your terminology was incorrect? Me agreeing with you is silly and ignorant? :lol:

Since you dodged my question I will try again. Do you think Cam is at an "infantile level of personality development"? That is from your definition not mine.

[PantherFanForLife]

What? The fact I said I generally agreed with your sentiment but your terminology was incorrect? Me agreeing with you is silly and ignorant? :lol:

Since you dodged my question I will try again. Do you think Cam is at an "infantile level of personality development"? That is from your definition not mine.

No the fact you still think the terminology is incorrect or you still believe the truth to be something that just isn't true: "The truth is that narcissists don't strive to be great because in their own mind they are already great and desire to be recognized as such."

Complete nonsense. And your question is just silly.

A narcissist will strive to be great. Again, the greatest leaders were the biggest of narcissists. They are great. What makes them narcissists is that they think they are MUCH greater than they really are. They get to a point where they basically think they're invincible or God-like when everyone else can still see they're very much human.....and that's what makes them narcissists.

[Floppin]

Dude, PFFL, quit spouting off this guys theoretical opinion like it's a fuging fact, it's not. It's his own broad sweeping definition that HE CREATED, it's not general psychological knowledge.

[teeray]

Did he answer my question yet?? :lol:

[PantherFanForLife]

Dude, PFFL, quit spouting off this guys theoretical opinion like it's a fuging fact, it's not. It's his own broad sweeping definition that HE CREATED, it's not general psychological knowledge.

Dude............. stop saying it's just "this guy's" theoretical opinion. It's not. Never was. It's always been what I'm stating. I never went off of "this guy's" theoretical opinion for my argument to begin with. It was just the first example that came off of Google.

This guy is just one of the many, many, many psychologists, authors, and educated people that KNOW what a narcissist is and B]YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T!. I've known this about narcissism since high school, when I first learned about Sigmund Freud and his take on it and then learned even more advanced concepts in college. Not just Maccoby.

It is no recent or new concept that the greatest leaders were the biggest narcissist. It started as early as Sigmund Freud in the early 1900s for modern psychology, but dated back even before his time.

STOP BEING IGNORANT and continuing to spread your ignorance because it is contagious. PLEASE!

The Narcissistic Leader

Sigmund Freud (1931) defined a narcissistic personality type as an

individual whose main interest is self preservation, is independent and

impossible to intimidate. Freud (1931) suggested that individuals

belonging to this type of personality group impress others as being strong

personalities, and are especially suited to act as bastions for others,

essentially in leadership roles.

It is apparent that this definition is congruent with the ancient origins of the term1 and interpreted, it refers to a personality type that has an extreme innate need for esteem; in theform of status, attention or admiration, a strong need for power, weak, self-control, and indifference about the needs and well being of others

The ties between narcissism and leadership were notably discussed by

Kets de Vries and Miller (1985) who utilised their foundations in

psychoanalysis to describe the origins of narcissism and its associated

behaviours.

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

http://www.business.otago.ac.nz/mgmt/research/omgr/05brown1.pdf

I swear I have never argued with such an ignorant person whey you repeatedly show them freaking proof over and over and over that they are incorrect and they still refuse to accept facts.

Here.....

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

In Alexander the Great, we can see without doubt the characteristics of a

rampant narcissist.

Sigmund Freud (1931) defined a narcissistic personality type as an

individual whose main interest is self preservation, is independent and

impossible to intimidate.

Sigmund Freud (1931) defined a narcissistic personality type as an

individual whose main interest is self preservation, is independent and

impossible to intimidate.

Sigmund Freud (1931) defined a narcissistic personality type as an

individual whose main interest is self preservation, is independent and

impossible to intimidate.

Sigmund Freud (1931) defined a narcissistic personality type as an

individual whose main interest is self preservation, is independent and

impossible to intimidate.

It is apparent that this definition is congruent with the ancient origins of the term1 and interpreted, it refers to a personality type that has an extreme innate need for esteem;

It is apparent that this definition is congruent with the ancient origins of the term1 and interpreted, it refers to a personality type that has an extreme innate need for esteem;

It is apparent that this definition is congruent with the ancient origins of the term1 and interpreted, it refers to a personality type that has an extreme innate need for esteem;

Does it SINK IN NOW? You're spreading ignorance when you keep saying it's just Maccoby's theory. It's not. It's not just Maccoby. This isn't NEW!!! This isn't one guy's opinion. This isn't MY opinion. This is Freud, this Ben Brown, this is Maccoby, this is my 10th great high school teacher and my psychology teacher in college. This is ancient freaking history! Alexander the freaking Great was in fact a narcissist! The greatest leaders were in fact, yes fact narcissists. LEARN SOMETHING, DAMN!

[Floppin]

You struggle with the definition of fact. Are you ready to accept reality that you are spouting off fringe alternative psychological theory yet? Or are you just going to rage quit? I mean really fuging Freud? All of his theories are currently accepted psychological fact after all.

[PantherFanForLife]

You struggle with the definition of fact. Are you ready to accept reality that you are spouting off fringe alternative psychological theory yet? Or are you just going to rage quit? I mean really fuging Freud? All of his theories are currently accepted psychological fact after all.

LOL. So first it was too modern, now it's too old? You should know, you show poor sportsmanship in defeat, especially when you helped spread something, that is simply not true to begin with. That's ok man. I hope you at least learned something so it's wasn't at least a complete waste of my time, even if you don't want to admit it.

[Floppin]

It's a modern take on a dated Freudian definition. Its not fact it's a small theoretical subsection of behavioral psychology who's main modern proponent isn't even really a working member of the field.

[PantherFanForLife]

It's a modern take on a dated Freudian definition. Its not fact it's a small theoretical subsection of behavioral psychology who's main modern proponent isn't even really a working member of the field.

Flopping I'm done arguing with you man. I showed you actual documentation from every MAJOR source on the internet, from dictionary definitions, to wikipedia, to papers written by psychology students, to article experts written on the most popular websites such as Forbes as well as from numerous authors, psychologists, living or dead, from the godfather of psychology, Sigmund Freud, to modern writers of today's era like Maccoby.

They all say the same thing: Narcissists can become great leaders. The greatest leaders were narcissists.

From Alexander the Great, to Caesar, to recent athletes such as Ali. The majority of experts in the field, yes majority, would say the same thing. They were all narcissists. That is a fact.

That is the majority consensus no matter how bad you want to discredit it and that is what makes it, a fact. And the other fact is....you continue to pull your words out of your own ass and have yet to show me one psychologist, one author, or one piece of evidence....that would disagree with that.

Read that over and over until it sinks in. Yes narcissist can and always have had the potential for greatness. It goes hand in hand. You can feel confident now in saying that, even IF, the term is typically applied to talk about a negative disorder and that's all less informed people think of. You, my friend, are no longer part of that group now.

You learned something new. And honestly, if you didn't, I won't feel bad for not getting through to a brick wall. I've done all that I can.

[chef17]

Maybe you didn't, but I actually saw just about all of those things in his most recent interview as well as his time at Auburn with the exception of simple selfishness. But yeah, self-importance, egotism, vanity, conceit.... I do see them. Quiet easy to notice.

As for your other part, because if you read my initial post....I didn't just say Cam was a narcissist. I said a full blown narcissist. He's unlike anyone I have ever seen to be honest. But to say Cam's a normal person, is a bit short sighted. He's a Heisman Trophy winner, star QB in the NFL.

I have never seen an NFL rookie do what Cam Newton has done. Never. I have never seen one take over a team like this day 1. I have never seen one take over the media like this, day 1. I have never seen such confidence and poise on the field, day 1. I have never seen leadership abilities like this, day 1.

And when you really think about, it, have you? What I'm trying to tell you and what I said, is this is NOT an accident. His confidence is so far off the chart, it almost borderlines over-confidence. Yet, we know it's not over-confidence, because he does perform at the level his attitude displays. I have just never seen someone coming straight out of college and believe in himself this much. Only someone that believes he IS an elite QB, can do this. Not will be someday, but IS..... Now!

Think about that for a second.

And where did you see "self-importance, egotism, vanity, conceit" from Cam? When he talks about his stats being meaningless because the team lost? When he told Rivera he doesn't want to let his teammates down? If you have already explained it I may have missed it so please show me what Cam has done to show those traits.

[Mr ocho nueve]

It's a modern take on a dated Freudian definition. Its not fact it's a small theoretical subsection of behavioral psychology who's main modern proponent isn't even really a working member of the field.

Lol wut? :conehead: