A few thoughts everyone should remember about Sunday

[PantherFanForLife]

This is all I was looking for. You gave an example of something Cam did that you think displayed a trait, and you explained how it was evidence the trait.

My problem is not thinking about narcissism as negative. Your problem is you keep going back to narcissism when I have already said three times I am done with it. You explained to me why you think Cam displays a certain trait. That is all I was asking. Since my question is answered we can end this discussion.

And I did that for you. But I also asked something of you too, if you ever care to answer it, because you were the one that brought this back up. Can you point out anyone whom you characterize as a narcissist or do you at least agree Randy Moss can, and by the same token, Ochocinco, and T.O can be characterized as a narcissists?

Do you at least now understand how Cam Newton can also be characterized as a narcissist?

Thanks.

[PantherFanForLife]

http://www.necn.com/10/07/10/Dr-M-Moss-shows-signs-of-Narcissistic-Pe/landing_sports.html?blockID=326335&feedID=6097

That is all.

What are are you showing me? That Randy's a narcissist? No poo Sherlock! So is T.O and Ochocinco. So is Floyd Mayweather. So was Ali. So was Jordan. And so is fugING CAM NEWTON!

Thank you very much! I knew this 4 days ago!. Welcome aboard! They are all narcissists, and in the past they were typically only characterized with the disorder when they end up self destructing.

And here:

Narcissistic Personality Disorder No Longer in D.S.M. - NYTimes.com http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/narcissism-no-longer-a-psychiatric-disorder/

Try to catch up and have a nice day!:D

[I am Hubby]

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Do you at least now understand how Cam Newton can also be characterized as a narcissist?

[chef17]

And I did that for you. But I also asked something of you too, if you ever care to answer it, because you were the one that brought this back up. Can you point out anyone whom you characterize as a narcissist or do you at least agree Randy Moss can, and by the same token, Ochocinco, and T.O can be characterized as a narcissists?

Do you at least now understand how Cam Newton can also be characterized as a narcissist?

Thanks.

I don't understand how I was the one who brought it back up when I stopped let it go after like my second or third post but ok.

Moss, Ocho, and Owens all appear to have excessive loves for themselves based on their actions, so yes I understand how they can be classified as narcissists.

IMO Newton seems to be more about the team and he doesn't come off to me as someone who loves him self more than the normal person so no I don't understand how he can be characterized as a narcissist.

[PantherFanForLife]

I don't understand how I was the one who brought it back up when I stopped let it go after like my second or third post but ok.

Moss, Ocho, and Owens all appear to have excessive loves for themselves based on their actions, so yes I understand how they can be classified as narcissists.

IMO Newton seems to be more about the team and he doesn't come off to me as someone who loves him self more than the normal person so no I don't understand how he can be characterized as a narcissist.

Did you read what I showed you?

Collective narcissism (or group narcissism) is a type of narcissism where an individual has an inflated self-love of his or her own ingroup, where an “ingroup” is a group in which an individual is personally involved.[26] While the classic definition of narcissism focuses on the individual, collective narcissism asserts that one can have a similar excessively high opinion of a group, and that a group can function as a narcissistic entity.[26] Collective narcissism is related to ethnocentrism; however, ethnocentrism primarily focuses on self-centeredness at an ethnic or cultural level, while collective narcissism is extended to any type of ingroup beyond just cultures and ethnicities.[26][27]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Collective_or_group_narcissism

[ed bell]

As has been previously stated- nobody can make the sort of personality diagnoses being spewed here from observing athletes on television or at the stadium.

If you want to say someone is showing a trait of the layman's term of narcissism, and show an example, knock yourself out....making a full character profile of any athlete is impossible. You are falling for the hype and perceptions of others that can't correctly do it either.

[chef17]

Did you read what I showed you?

I can not think of an example where Cam displayed he had an inflated love for his group or an excessively high opinion of them. If you have an example where he displays such then I would agree he could fall under that category.

[PantherFanForLife]

As has been previously stated- nobody can make the sort of personality diagnoses being spewed here from observing athletes on television or at the stadium.

If you want to say someone is showing a trait of the layman's term of narcissism, and show an example, knock yourself out....making a full character profile of any athlete is impossible. You are falling for the hype and perceptions of others that can't correctly do it either.

And I never did. It was a matter of opinion from the very beginning. Some members just didn't know that narcissism can be a huge positive and tremendous asset for people to have in positions of leadership or when it comes to athletes because they only had an understanding of the layman's term, not the full concept. and they only related to a mental disorder(which has actually been removed as a disorder). So they attacked it the moment they saw the word thinking I'm attacking Cam.

Some are still stuck in this mindset despite the insurmountable amount of evidence I have posted over the past 20 pages. Nothing I can do for those. The rest have just been busy backpedaling and wiggling themselves out of having to admit they had no clue so they started to result to a bunch of personal attacks.

[PantherFanForLife]

I can not think of an example where Cam displayed he had an inflated love for his group or an excessively high opinion of them. If you have an example where he displays such then I would agree he could fall under that category.

Ok.

PS. And no I don't. Not for you:)

[chef17]

Ok.

PS. And no I don't. Not for you:)

That's fine. Don't have to prove any thing to me :cool:

[PantherFanForLife]

That's fine. Don't have to prove any thing to me :cool:

Alright man, last one. Just saying....

IMO Newton seems to be more about the team and he doesn't come off to me as someone who loves him self more than the normal person so no I don't understand how he can be characterized as a narcissist.

In psychology, the term is used to describe both normal self-love and unhealthy self-absorption due to a disturbance in the sense of self.

Narcissistic leadership is a common form of leadership. The narcissism may be healthy or destructive although there is a continuum between the two.

Collective narcissism (or group narcissism) is a type of narcissism where an individual has an inflated self-love of his or her own ingroup, where an “ingroup” is a group in which an individual is personally involved.[26] While the classic definition of narcissism focuses on the individual, collective narcissism asserts that one can have a similar excessively high opinion of a group, and that a group can function as a narcissistic entity.[26] Collective narcissism is related to ethnocentrism; however, ethnocentrism primarily focuses on self-centeredness at an ethnic or cultural level, while collective narcissism is extended to any type of ingroup beyond just cultures and ethnicities

See it doesn't have to be excessive...Do you see where it says that narcissism can actually be even a "normal" amount of self love? You did say you at least see Newton as loving himself as much as a normal person, right?

You still don't see how he can be characterized as such?

Maybe you don't agree with me that he's a full blown narcissist, but you can't possibly not see how he can be characterized simply as a narcissist.

[chef17]

Alright man, last one. Just saying....

See it doesn't have to be excessive...Do you see where it says that narcissism can actually be even a "normal" amount of self love? You did say you at least see Newton as loving himself as much as a normal person, right?

You still don't see how he can be characterized as such?

Maybe you don't agree with me that he's a full blown narcissist, but you can't possibly not see how he can be characterized simply as a narcissist.

Well yes if you are referring to normal self love then yes he is a narcissist. But I don't see the point in telling us Cam loves himself like a normal person so I assumed you meant it was excessive.

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And I never did. It was a matter of opinion from the very beginning. Some members just didn't know that narcissism can be a huge positive and tremendous asset for people to have in positions of leadership or when it comes to athletes because they only had an understanding of the layman's term, not the full concept. and they only related to a mental disorder(which has actually been removed as a disorder). So they attacked it the moment they saw the word thinking I'm attacking Cam.

Some are still stuck in this mindset despite the insurmountable amount of evidence I have posted over the past 20 pages. Nothing I can do for those. The rest have just been busy backpedaling and wiggling themselves out of having to admit they had no clue so they started to result to a bunch of personal attacks.

You called him a full-blown narcissist, which, while not technically a diagnosis, is impossible to substantiate with the very few actual examples you gave. So much for insurmountable evidence. Plus you are now saying that everyone is stuck on the layman's definition while you are now claiming to be looking at it from the "full concept". That sounds like you are overstating your abilities...big time.

It can be argued that everyone displays some degree of narcissism at some point or another in their everyday lives. I'd be willing to say that many professional athletes show some degree of it simply from being a professional athlete. I seriously doubt that personality trait is the difference maker that gets athletes to such great heights. It's not a super power and most of the time it's a negative trait and influence. Throwing MJ, Ali and OJ for comparison purposes weakens your point because you can't pigeonhole them into your theory here by simply saying they are narcissists.

[PantherFanForLife]

Well yes if you are referring to normal self love then yes he is a narcissist. But I don't see the point in telling us Cam loves himself like a normal person so I assumed you meant it was excessive.

But that's not what I initially said. I said a full blown narcissist. And that's my opinion. I said he's one of the biggest I have ever seen, which also leads me to believe he's going to do very amazing things for this franchise, much like other incredibly narcissists throughout history.:D

My point was to use the narcissism I saw in him to relate him to other big time narcissists and historic players, in order to back up my belief that he's going to be amazing and likely do great things for this franchise.

It was also to warn others ahead of time that along with that comes the likelihood of continued comments that are going to rub people the wrong way. He's not going to be your typical awe shucks QB. I see him more as someone like Ali.