A few thoughts everyone should remember about Sunday

[chef17]

Smiling, alone, doesn't show vanity. The entire way he carries himself shows vanity.

You keep asking me, but can I ask you the same question? Can you show me someone who is displaying vanity?

No I can't because I never said anyone displayed vanity. When you say someone displays self-importance but everything we have seen displays the opposite, you should have some evidence to explain it. If you think because of the way he carries himself that is fine since it's your opinion but that really isn't an explanation

[PantherFanForLife]

The thing is I'm not trying to. I have repeatedly said I want to know how Cam displays those traits. If you want to use him leading the team so quickly as evidence, then I would like to know that is proof. I can just as easily say the opposite. But there is no point if I don't explain why I think that.

And I did explain that to you. You don't see it. So I am asking you, could you please show me what YOUR idea of someone displaying vanity is?

Show me someone that displays vanity. And then name ONE leader that, according to you, is a narcissist. And not just you, but any of you!

Can you do that for me?

[chef17]

And I did explain that to you. You don't see it. So I am asking you, could you please show me what YOUR idea of someone displaying vanity is?

Show me someone that displays vanity. And then name ONE leader that, according to you, is a narcissist. And not just you, but any of you!

Can you do that for me?

So to help your argument you want me to give examples of something I never said anyone had? And here you go again with narcissist which is still unrelated to my point.

[PantherFanForLife]

So to help your argument you want me to give examples of something I never said anyone had? And here you go again with narcissist which is still unrelated to my point.

No to help, OUR argument. I have already repeatedly answered your questions to the best of my ability. It is not satisfactory to you. You tell me you don't think it fits those traits, or you don't see it.

I am asking you, to show me a person, that YOU think does. Can you do that?

PS: And unlike you, I have no intention of picking it apart. No worries. I'm just curious what your idea of that is.

[chef17]

No to help, OUR argument. I have already repeatedly answered your questions to the best of my ability. It is not satisfactory to you. You tell me you don't think it fits those traits, or you don't see it.

I am asking you, to show me a person, that YOU think does. Can you do that?

Randy Moss only runs hard routes when he is getting the ball. I believe that shows self importance because he is only worrying about his stats and not the team. Considering Cam said he doesn't care about his stats since the team isn't winning and he doesn't want to let his teammates down, what can you point to to say that he shows self importance. Please provide an example and EXPLAIN why the example displays self importance.

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Oh...Oh..Oh...I've got a possible example of vanity, but I gotta find the pic.....

Here we go, Mark Sanchez trying to channel Broadway Joe:

Only thing is I doubt it's helping him in the QB as a leader department.

[PantherFanForLife]

Randy Moss only runs hard routes when he is getting the ball. I believe that shows self importance because he is only worrying about his stats and not the team. Considering Cam said he doesn't care about his stats since the team isn't winning and he doesn't want to let his teammates down, what can you point to to say that he shows self importance. Please provide an example and EXPLAIN why the example displays self importance.

And I would agree with you. And I would also agree with you that Randy Moss is a narcissist. if you would have made the statement. But he doesn't compare to Ochocinco or T.O, which you earlier didn't agree with. Randy Moss is not nearly as in love with himself as T.O or Ochocinco.

Not even close.

And this is right along the same lines of me pointing out Cam Newton's media workout which also shows self-importance. He drew attention to himself in order to impress the media, team owners, and assure he is one of the top pics in the NFL so he would land a big ass paycheck.

But to go back to our earlier argument, because whether you want to admit it or not, this was about that, what I think your problem is, after this entire discussion, you still only think of narcissism and can only point out narcissism in its destructive form. You still only equate it to: selfishness.

By those same lines: Steve Smith: punched his own team mates twice. Steve Smith is an inverted narcissist(I am one too), but that's a whole different story. They require a classic narcissist to excel. Delhomme was good for Smith. Delhomme is nothing compared to what Cam Newton will do for Steve Smith. But this goes into a completely different area.

When it comes to the receiver position, narcissism is easier to spot in its negative form. Because as a receiver you have to be a team player. As a QB, you don't, you can be as narcissistic as you want, because your job is to be a team leader! You are already in the position which is considered MOST important. But Cam Newton is not going to give a rat's ass about making sure Naanee has a career for example. He's going to be completely un-empathetic to Naanee's feelings or well being and he's not going to be helping Naanee get his paycheck. He's going to be indifferent to his survival. He's going to give the ball to his best receiver that can get him the score, and then the high five, which in turn does a number of things: help out the team, win, feed both of their egos, put them both in the spotlight and earn the admiration of fans!

And that is an example of how narcissism can be a HUGE positive.

[PantherFanForLife]

PS you need to read about this:

Collective or group narcissism

Collective narcissism (or group narcissism) is a type of narcissism where an individual has an inflated self-love of his or her own ingroup, where an “ingroup” is a group in which an individual is personally involved.[26] While the classic definition of narcissism focuses on the individual, collective narcissism asserts that one can have a similar excessively high opinion of a group, and that a group can function as a narcissistic entity.[26] Collective narcissism is related to ethnocentrism; however, ethnocentrism primarily focuses on self-centeredness at an ethnic or cultural level, while collective narcissism is extended to any type of ingroup beyond just cultures and ethnicities.[26][27]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Collective_or_group_narcissism

And this:

Narcissistic leadership is a common form of leadership. The narcissism may be healthy or destructive although there is a continuum between the two. A study published in the journal Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin suggests that when a group is without a leader, you can often count on a narcissist to take charge. Researchers found that people who score high in narcissism tend to take control of leaderless groups.[49]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism#Narcissistic_leadership

This is why I think Cam Newton's a full blown narcissist. This is why I have said from the get go, it is not outside the realm of a narcissist, to be an exceptional team leader, like Michael Jordan!

This is why when I saw the way Cam Newton took over this team, and everybody on this team followed him like a 10 year veteran who won the Superbowl, he has to be the biggest narcissist I have ever seen. He made his team mates absolutely fall in love with him. He made Steve Smith latch on to him and talked him into staying.

He took his own sick confidence and belief in himself and passed it on to the entire team. This is what they do.

Is it excessive? That's a matter of opinion but...you tell me....have you ever seen a rookie do this before? This is why everyone is blown away. Narcissists can do this type of amazing things.

However yes it has its bad sides, when it goes bad.....is when someone in the group turns against you and stops buying what you are selling. That's when you see a narcissist's fangs. As long as everyone buys into Cam, we're golden.

PS: Chef, I truly do not believe you are as ignorant as some of the others. I really do believe you honestly wanted to know more about this instead of just arguing. I just think you don't know how to agree with me now since we have been enemies for so long. Just accept it, and embrace it. Cam's the real deal and he knows it....and as a collective group we know he's the real deal!

[chef17]

And this is right along the same lines of me pointing out Cam Newton's media workout which also shows self-importance. He drew attention to himself in order to impress the media, team owners, and assure he is one of the top pics in the NFL so he would land a big ass paycheck.

This is all I was looking for. You gave an example of something Cam did that you think displayed a trait, and you explained how it was evidence the trait.

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I'm a dontgivuhshittist

[PiratePanther189]

And I would agree with you. And I would also agree with you that Randy Moss is a narcissist. if you would have made the statement. But he doesn't compare to Ochocinco or T.O, which you earlier didn't agree with. Randy Moss is not nearly as in love with himself as T.O or Ochocinco.

Possibly the stupidest argument you've made so far, and honestly, the best option for you at this point is to just stop. Stop talking about this and just move on from this conversation.

Randy Moss...the man who tore apart not ONE, not TWO, not THREE, but FOUR...FOUR (Minnesota TWICE) fuging locker rooms. The man who has given countless interviews about how he's the best reciever in the history of football and he can and will do whatever HE wants to do no matter what, is "not nearly" as in love with himself as TO or Ocho? Come the fug on!! Why? Because he didn't change his name?? Dude..Randy Moss is the definition of a selfish, egotistical cancer. He's one of the worst to step foot in a locker room. Ever. In the history of sports. I'm glad he's gone and hope every cent he has is drained away because he's so much of an idiot.

I've kept myself out of this thread because this argument is straight up retarded..but what you're saying just doesn't make sense anymore. WHO EVEN CARES ABOUT THIS??

[PantherFanForLife]

Possibly the stupidest argument you've made so far, and honestly, the best option for you at this point is to just stop. Stop talking about this and just move on from this conversation.

Randy Moss...the man who tore apart not ONE, not TWO, not THREE, but FOUR...FOUR (Minnesota TWICE) fuging locker rooms. The man who has given countless interviews about how he's the best reciever in the history of football and he can and will do whatever HE wants to do no matter what, is "not nearly" as in love with himself as TO or Ocho? Come the fug on!! Why? Because he didn't change his name?? Dude..Randy Moss is the definition of a selfish, egotistical cancer. He's one of the worst to step foot in a locker room. Ever. In the history of sports. I'm glad he's gone and hope every cent he has is drained away because he's so much of an idiot.

I've kept myself out of this thread because this argument is straight up retarded..but what you're saying just doesn't make sense anymore. WHO EVEN CARES ABOUT THIS??

First of all that's a matter of opinion, isn't it? You're right I am going to stop arguing wth you, not because you told me to, but because you do not grasp the concept of what we were discussing and the context in which we were discussing things.

Randy Moss is selfish. And what you just described is hardly what I would describe as someone who is in love with themselves. What you JUST described is someone who has become destructive and has become "self-absorbed".

That is not LOVE. Getting kicked off teams and destroying your reputation is exactly what happens when a narcissist goes bad. But that is not evidence of Randy Moss being a bigger narcissist or more in love with himself than Ochocinco or T.O.

So yeah, thanks for dropping by. Carry on.

PS: apparently lots of people.

[PiratePanther189]

First of all that's a matter of opinion, isn't it? You're right I am going to stop arguing wth you, not because you told me to, but because you do not grasp the concept of what we were discussing and the context in which we were discussing things.

Randy Moss is selfish. And what you just described is hardly what I would describe as someone who is in love with themselves. What you JUST described is someone who has become destructive and has become "self-absorbed".

That is not LOVE. Getting kicked off teams and destroying your reputation is exactly what happens when a narcissist goes bad. But that is not evidence of Randy Moss being a bigger narcissist or more in love with himself than Ochocinco or T.O.

So yeah, thanks for dropping by. Carry on.

PS: apparently lots of people.

http://www.necn.com/10/07/10/Dr-M-Moss-shows-signs-of-Narcissistic-Pe/landing_sports.html?blockID=326335&feedID=6097

That is all.