"Cam looking at the film what do you need to do to improve?"

[MadHatter]

There was also published evidence that the Earth was flat and the center of the universe. Just sayin'...

I understand that. And I know that what he quoted was only one opinion on the matter.

As adamantly that Floppin argued against his opinion, I was actually genuinely interested in what Floppin believed on the subject. This is still unknown, because all he did was say that the evidence is wrong....because he thinks it is wrong.

[Floppin]

I understand that. And I know that what he quoted was only one opinion on the matter.

As adamantly that Floppin argued against his opinion, I was actually genuinely interested in what Floppin believed on the subject. This is still unknown, because all he did was say that the evidence is wrong....because he thinks it is wrong.

What part of my opinion are you interested in? Whether or not that I believe Cam is a narcissist by PFFL's definition? No, because I don't subscribe to Maccoby's theory.

[Iceberg Slim]

whoo...this is a lot better than the obsever....no Cam Haters....or panther haters for that matter....hello all!!!

[Wyank]

whoo...this is a lot better than the obsever....no Cam Haters....or panther haters for that matter....hello all!!!

Give it time. You're still new.

Welcome.

[PantherFanForLife]

what part of my opinion are you interested in? Whether or not that i believe cam is a narcissist by pffl's definition? No, because i don't subscribe to maccoby's theory.

lol.

[Floppin]

lol.

No, in all seriousness, what kind of information do you want out of me?

[Floppin]

There is no counterpoint to take, you either agree with Maccoby's theory or you don't. Maccoby is the only legitimate academic who has forwarded his personality theory. What he's done is consolidated various positive and negative psychological traits normally attributed to various different terms under his own redefined version of Narcissism. It includes both sides of the spectrum, from positive to negative Narcissism and has it's own built in caveats. It's a broad sweeping generality, with no real base that can be applied to anyone with any sort of charismatic power.

[PantherFanForLife]

No, in all seriousness, what kind of information do you want out of me?

Honestly? How about you just admit that when I first made my post, you immediately took it as some sort of "attack" from me on Cam, not really understanding what I was saying, then making a completely foolish statement about me confusing narcissism with......wait for it....psychopathy....and then decided to just join on the flaming.

Want me to remind you of your first reply?

I think you're confusing the technical definition of psychopathy and narcissism.You also seem to have a very narrow view point on altruism and seem to make assumptions that everyone has a "me first" latent personality.

If you know so much about the definition of narcissism, I'd love to know how you came away with psychopathy from my initial post. I'd love for you to show me some evidence on that one....cause it sure as hell doesn't fit anything I was saying. So are you sure it wasn't just the fact that you saw the letters O.J. in there which made you immediately think of a psychopath and thought I was just implying Cam is gonna be a psychopath? Because honestly...that's what I think happened.

That told me you didn't understand poo. And then when you also mentioned altruism, it just completely went off the map, because that was even further away from what I was discussing. After that you just ended up digging yourself into a whole.

I doubt I'm going to get that one out of you though.

[Herbert The Love Bug]

Just learn to not jump pass and to also throw the ball out of bounds.

[teeray]

It isn't narcissism Cam has. It is swag. Deal wit it.

[Match.com]

Ha, when he named his favorite receivers: Steve, Lafell, Greg, Shock.

GUESS WHO IS MISSING?

Good point had to re watch....I hope someone up top notice...nany misspelled on purpose is weak and just collects a check... We need competitor...hope Bettie is healing well

[edromeo]

but Newton, is a narcissist. I'm not assuming it, I've just personally seen enough of him to believe he fits the description. I just don't view it as a negative.

PFFL, look I like you really do.

But, I don't understand how a person as bright as you seem to be can make a post like this.

The notion that you can tell wether or not someone is a narcissist without ever having met that person or met anyone that knows that person is well.....absurd.

Cam could be a full blown narcissist or the exact opposite, but its doubtful we'll ever be in a position to know.

I would have had no problem if you stated the following at the outset:

just personally seen enough of him to believe he fits the description

Rather then this:

Cam Newton IS a narcissist

Its bad form, and kinda insulting/disrespectful, to the other forum members to state your opinion as fact.

While you may agree with a theory that esposes that being narcissistic is positive its not the accepted definition or view.

(Also I think its important to define your view of the terms narcissistic and narcissism i.e. urban/mainstream? clinical? etc)

What I'm trying to point out to you guys now, is that it will begin to slowly trickle out into the media with the more spotlight he gets.

LoL, the media.

Anyone that accepts how the media characterizes anyone needs to have their head examined.

you're going to have a hard time continuing to maintain this defense of a saintly image and you're going to have a hard time in refusing to accept any criticism.

You're not talking with 'all of you' you're just talking to me and I'm not sure why you think I have a saintly image of Newton nor why you think I refuse to accept legit criticism of him.

I also find it ironic that you chose the word 'criticism' if you view being narcissistic as positive?

BTW-Macoby is it? His 'theory' has similarities to Ayn Rand's:

My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.

That's why I mention Howard Roark earlier.

Are you familiar with either?

Another discussion though not for this thread/forum but you can PM if you like: I have serious issues with any theory that professes narcissism (which must include the negative aspects as well) are conducive to being a leader.

[I am Hubby]

Is that it? NOOOOOO. Oh well, back to my life.

[PantherFanForLife]

PFFL, look I like you really do.

But, I don't understand how a person as bright as you seem to be can make a post like this.

The notion that you can tell wether or not someone is a narcissist without ever having met that person or met anyone that knows that person is well.....absurd.

Cam could be a full blown narcissist or the exact opposite, but its doubtful we'll ever be in a position to know.

I would have had no problem if you stated the following at the outset:Rather then this:

Its bad form, and kinda insulting/disrespectful, to the other forum members to state your opinion as fact.

While you may agree with a theory that esposes that being narcissistic is positive its not the accepted definition or view.

(Also I think its important to define your view of the terms narcissistic and narcissism i.e. urban/mainstream? clinical? etc)

LoL, the media.

Anyone that accepts how the media characterizes anyone needs to have their head examined.

You're not talking with 'all of you' you're just talking to me and I'm not sure why you think I have a saintly image of Newton nor why you think I refuse to accept legit criticism of him.

I also find it ironic that you chose the word 'criticism' if you view being narcissistic as positive?

BTW-Macoby is it? His 'theory' has similarities to Ayn Rand's:

That's why I mention Howard Roark earlier.

Are you familiar with either?

BTW-

Me saying Cam Newton is a narcissist is no different from people saying he's a selfless, leader. And what are you saying that I can't pass judgment or my opinion on someone without actually having to meet them in person? As far as simply stating my opinion without putting a warning label that it is so, I don't think I should have to since it's self explanatory, but to clarify, this argument actually started in another thread, where I clearly stated as a personal opinion, as you would condone. Personally I feel, I have seen enough of Newton to be able to make the statement I made, and I don't need to meet him in person.

Anyone that accepts how the media characterizes anyone needs to have their head examined.

Before you post something like this followed by this:

While you may agree with a theory that esposes that being narcissistic is positive its not the accepted definition or view.

I urge you to do your research or how about I do it for you. He is simply wrong. And so are you to say it's not the accepted view or definition.

I'm going to make an assumption here and say that your hypothesis that it is not the accepted view or definitions, is unfortunately based either on a response that was posted awhile back, by someone who simply typed only an excerpt from the entire wikipedia description, by his incorrect personal assumptions(not backed by anything), or is based on poorly usage by the media. If not, and you actually did your research, I don't know where you are getting it from.

When I initially used the term it became obvious people didn't understand the concept of it, and it seems you still don't, if you STILL believe narcissism is a strictly a negative thing or that the "accepted viewpoint is negative". Narcissistic personality disorder.....is a negative thing and it is a disorder. Maybe that's where you too are getting confused. But not a narcissist or narcissism. It is not a strictly black and white, negative or positive concept. I tried to inform, but it seems it has been to no avail. So let me try this. The actual definitions for the term:

nar·cis·sism

   /ˈnɑrsəˌsɪzɛm/ Show Spelled[nahr-suh-siz-em] Show IPA

noun

1.

inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity.

2.

Psychoanalysis . erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/narcissism?r=66

n, an exceptional interest in and admiration for yourself

n psychoanalysis, narcissism is erotic gratification derived from excessive love for yourself, and is considered to be a normal developmental stage. The reference is to Narcissus, a beautiful youth in Greek mythology who fell in love with his reflection in a body of water and was changed into the flower narcissus, which grows near water.

http://www.vocabulary.com/definition/narcissism

1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.

2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.

3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.

4. The attribute of the human psyche charactized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/narcissism

too much interest in and admiration for your own physical appearance and/or your own abilities

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/narcissism

And here's the full wikipedia definition:

Narcissism is a term with a wide range of meanings, depending on whether it is used to describe a central concept of psychoanalytic theory, a mental illness, a social or cultural problem, or simply a personality trait. Except in the sense of primary narcissism or healthy self-love, "narcissism" usually is used to describe some kind of problem in a person or group's relationships with self and others. In everyday speech, "narcissism" often means inflated self-importance, egotism, vanity, conceit, or simple selfishness. Applied to a social group, it is sometimes used to denote elitism or an indifference to the plight of others. In psychology, the term is used to describe both normal self-love and unhealthy self-absorption due to a disturbance in the sense of self.

Those are the accepted definitions of narcissism.

As for this:

Another discussion though not for this thread/forum but you can PM if you like: I have serious issues with any theory that professes narcissism (which must include the negative aspects as well) are conducive to being a leader.

I'm sorry, but it isn't just a theory. It is thousands of years of history, even if you have issues with it. The greatest leaders that have ever lived, politicians, presidents, kings, athletes, from Julius Caesar to Napoleon to Muhammad Ali....were all narcissists. As well as great leaders. And yes it came with the negative, because what separates narcissistic leaders such as this from those of your every day Joe is also because they all started with a healthy form of narcissism, but they all push the boundaries and get sucked in to their own Godly self beliefs, and some, eventually crossed over into the area of self-absorbed and became destructive. They developed a narcissistic personality disorder. Some got so bad they earned themselves sociopath or psychopath labels.

For example, Julius Caesar started out as a loved general. He died a tyrant. Hitler started off as a pioneering politician. He died a genocidal maniac.