"Cam looking at the film what do you need to do to improve?"

[PantherFanForLife]

He teaches leardership by the way, he in no way teaches business psychoanalysis, he actually got his degree for psychoanalysis in fuging Mexico.

Uhm actually, the other article is written by another person.

Ok not impressed with his credentials. How about these guys?

Amy B. Brunell

The Ohio State University at Newark

William A. Gentry

W. Keith Campbell

Brian J. Hoffman

KarlW. Kuhnert

University of Georgia

Kenneth G. DeMarree

The Ohio State University

Leader Emergence:

The Case of the Narcissistic Leader

http://www.myweb.ttu.edu/kdemarre/pdfs/BGCHKD.2008.PSPB.pdf

I think he needs to go back to school

[PantherFanForLife]

Science daily?

Narcissistic People Most Likely To Emerge As Leaders

ScienceDaily (Oct. 10, 2008) — When a group is without a leader, you can often count on a narcissist to take charge, a new study suggests. Researchers found that people who score high in narcissism tend to take control of leaderless groups. Narcissism is a trait in which people are self-centered, exaggerate their talents and abilities, and lack empathy for others.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081007155100.htm

[edromeo]

Finally Cam Newton, IS, indeed a narcissist.

You have no idea wether Cam or those people are narcissists, you assume they are.

(I doubt that Gates even has a type A personality much less a narcissist but I digress)

I know what you're trying to say, but calling someone a narcissist is not a compliment.

There are many other more accurate and more positive ways to make your point.

I think you choose 'narcissist' because you have a hard time giving Cam credit without making a point to find and highlight fault.

Cam like many other driven and successful people share some of the positive aspects of a (Howard Roarkian) narcissist.

-Cheers

[Floppin]

Uhm actually, the other article is written by another person.

Ok not impressed with his credentials. How about these guys?

Amy B. Brunell

The Ohio State University at Newark

William A. Gentry

W. Keith Campbell

Brian J. Hoffman

KarlW. Kuhnert

University of Georgia

Kenneth G. DeMarree

The Ohio State University

I think he needs to go back to school

The articles were written by two different people but they both cited Maccoby's book in them, that was my point.

[Floppin]

Ahh, sweet an article written by a bunch of students at a fuging Satellite school...ohh looky whats in the sources...

Maccoby, M. (2000). Narcissistic leaders: The incredible pros, the

inevitable cons. Harvard Business Review, 68-77.

[monstercat]

I wish you two would PM each other with this BS.

[Seamonk]

I thought this was a football forum. Whether he is one or not, he takes pride in what he does enough to work hard enough to meet his own lofty expectations.

[PantherFanForLife]

You have no idea wether Cam or those people are narcissists, you assume they are.

(I doubt that Gates even has a type A personality much less a narcissist but I digress)

I know what you're trying to say, but calling someone a narcissist is not a compliment.

There are many other more accurate and more positive ways to make your point.

I think you choose 'narcissist' because you have a hard time giving Cam credit without making a point to find and highlight fault.

Cam like many other driven and successful people share some of the positive aspects of a (Howard Roarkian) narcissist.

-Cheers

How the heck do I go from giving Newton to much attention one day to not wanting to give Newton enough credit, I have no idea and what I could care less, but Newton, is a narcissist. I'm not assuming it, I've just personally seen enough of him to believe he fits the description. I just don't view it as a negative.

But yes there will be both positive and negative aspects to him. What they share is that they are in fact all narcissists, not just traits. And yes, the term itself has a negative stigma attached to it, but whether or not a narcissist ends up like Jordan, a respected businessman like Bill Gates, or a fallen from grace ex-superstar like O.J. Simpson or Vick...is up to them. And that was precisely my point.

What I'm trying to point out to you guys now, is that it will begin to slowly trickle out into the media with the more spotlight he gets.

His comments will get even more colorful than what you saw in this video. Now, once again, personally, I don't have a problem with it. I embrace it.

All I'm trying to warn you all of, is that with as much attention as he's going to continue to get, you're going to have a hard time continuing to maintain this defense of a saintly image and you're going to have a hard time in refusing to accept any criticism.

[PantherFanForLife]

Ahh, sweet an article written by a bunch of students at a fuging Satellite school...ohh looky whats in the sources...

So I'm not going to take the word of University students, or experts in the field, or articles featured on the Washington Post, or Forbes, or Harvard....but I'm going to take yours?

[The Saltman]

Ya in all seriousness I dont give a crap if he thinks highly of himself. As long as he has a strong work ethic and busts his ass trying to make himself and the team better It doesnt matter.

Everybody has a little narcissism to them whether you would admit it or not. Without egos people are simply robots.

[Floppin]

So I'm not going to take the word of University students, or experts in the field, or articles featured on the Washington Post, or Forbes, or Harvard....but I'm going to take yours?

My point is that your point of view is based on one professor, who's not even a professor of Psychology or any actual Psychological field, whatsoever, who got a degree in Psychoanalysis from a random Mexican institute, and teaches LEADERSHIP at Harvard. He's written a few books about his Narcissism theory and as such has had them cited in a few shorter articles in some Magazines.

You're taking a fringe element and parading it around as fact, it's not, it's some off on the sidelines personality theory.

[bauss]

That sound byte got coverage on First Take this morning. The snippet at the bottom of the screen: "Cam says he's in same league as Brady."

Poor guy is being passed off as arrogant now.

I actually watched this segment on ESPN2. Out of the 4 analysts bayless was the only one suggesting such and taking it completely out of context. The others were pretty much arguing with him that he was wrong.

[PantherFanForLife]

My point is that your point of view is based on one professor, who's not even a professor of Psychology or any actual Psychological field, whatsoever, who got a degree in Psychoanalysis from a random Mexican institute, and teaches LEADERSHIP at Harvard. He's written a few books about his Narcissism theory and as such has had them cited in a few shorter articles in some Magazines.

You're taking a fringe element and parading it around as fact, it's not, it's some off on the sidelines personality theory.

Oh ok....well then my point is you have a tendency to self-own because your wikipedia definition, of narcissism, and not narcissist, is simply a collection of publicly written definitions written by anyone with access to the internet with references to various authors and articles.

But.... on that note, it does happen that they also reference "Michael Maccoby", the guy you apparently don't give any credit to:

In a separate but related distinction, 'Michael Maccoby, in his fascinating book The Productive Narcissist, makes a strong case for the positive side of a narcissistic character... believes that the natural energy and individuality of narcissists is the key to much industrial progress and innovation'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy_narcissism

You should read up more on positive narcissism as well:

Neville Symington challenged Kohut's belief in positive narcissism, arguing that 'we do not get positive narcissim without self-hatred'.[11] He concluded that 'Kohut does not seem to be aware of this because he defines narcissism without this inner negative critic. I think this is why in some recent literature a distinction is made between negative narcissism and positive narcissism. As I said earlier, I do not think they ever exist dissociated from one another'.

And do try to understand, there are two sides to every coin. And this will be the case with Newton as well.

[Floppin]

I, never, in any of my posts quoted anything from wikipedia. Continue being wrong though.