Peppers and Cutler some thoughts

[BlindSite]

I wouldn't say he's been a model teammate. I also don't read into FB's posts the same stuff that you do. I also think that she's right.

Cutler may be an improvement over Jake, but I don't think he would be enough of one to justify pulling the trigger right now.

What would you change? What more can the guy do... McDaniels and the front office are the ones who didn't want him, who tried to trade him and who then refused to move on...

I'm reading to much into things?? I'm not the one who doesn't like a guy simply because he wants off a team who's coach tried to trade him.

[Nu Guns]

I dont get it???!!!

What is wrong with you people?

Cutler is better then Delhomme by a mile.

4K yrds last year...2nd in offense while using a 100 different running backs and a horrid defense.

Cutler has every right to be mad, and if you disagree with that you have not been paying close enough attention. I think many of you need to switch to direct tv so you can watch nfl access and get more infomation about what actually happened in Denver. Whatever you people are smoking thinking we have a better shot with Jake please pass it around

[BlindSite]

This is the only corner of the NFL internets where people wouldn't be berated, ridiculed and laughed into oblivion for suggesting Delhomme is a better option than Cutler

[Nu Guns]

LOL no shyt !!!!

[Cyberjag]

I don't know who's saying that Cutler isn't an improvement. However, the cost of the improvement may not be worth the benefit. That's what I've been saying and I think there's ample justification for that.

[BlindSite]

You don't think trading peppers and delhomme would be worth getting a quarterback who'll make this team competitive and as long as we keep a decent supporting cast around him, in the mix for the playoffs for the next 5-10 isn't worth it?

[SmootsDaddy89]

Nick Goings running the ball wasn't what caused the team to do well, he was a piece of the puzzle though. It was a team effort to recover from 13 starters going down to injury. It was the team rallying around Jake after they recovered from being shellshocked with the rash of injuries. It was guys like Goings and Moose steppiing up to deliver the best performances of their career.

The point is that Jake carried the team that year and had his best year as a pro. It could be just as easily said that Jake throwing the ball so well opened up the running game for Goings. It just goes to say that teams don't have to have running games to succeed.

Yes but what you said was that it isn't true that a lack of a run game results in lowered QB performance, and cited 2004 as evidence Jake didn't need a run game to have his best season ever. My point was that it's more than coincidence that Jake's best numbers coincided with the great play of Nick Goings and that before this point his numbers were average at best. Yes, I believe his numbers improved somewhat due to the rallying of the team to overcome their injuries and make a run at the playoffs. I also believe that perhaps the bigger explanation was the steadying of the run game provided by Nick Goings.

[Nu Guns]

If what happened to Denver's run game last year happened here in Carolina do you think we would have the nfl's 2nd best offense? Do you have confidence that Jake could lead our offense IF we had to rely more on the pass??!!

[panthers55]

I dont get it???!!!

What is wrong with you people?

Cutler is better then Delhomme by a mile.

4K yrds last year...2nd in offense while using a 100 different running backs and a horrid defense.

Cutler has every right to be mad, and if you disagree with that you have not been paying close enough attention. I think many of you need to switch to direct tv so you can watch nfl access and get more infomation about what actually happened in Denver. Whatever you people are smoking thinking we have a better shot with Jake please pass it around

Based on stats Cutler is not ahead by a mile. Try using quality stats instead of quantity stats. 4500 yards on 616 attempts still equates to 7.3 yards per attempt. Jake had 3300 yards on 414 attempts which equates to 7.9 yards per attempt. How about TDs as a percentage of attempts? I TD per every 24 attempts for Cutler. I TD every 27 attempts for Jake.

How about passer completion rate. Cutler is at 62%, Jake around 60%.

If you look at the numbers devoid of opinion Cutler had slightly better stats than a quarterback coming off Tommy John Surgery. Cutler played a weaker schedule and faded as the year went on. Jake played a tougher schedule and his last 3 games he had a passer rating over 100 when the season was on the line. Our defense was very little better than Denver the second half of the season.

I am not saying that Cutler won't prove to be better and surely has better physical skills. And I would pick him if I were looking for a quarterback of the future.

But to say he is better by a mile is belied by facts. He is not much better. Too many of you guys look at the big flashy numbers and say how great he is without looking any deeper much like people see a shiny new car but forget to look under the hood.

[Nu Guns]

Based on stats Cutler is not ahead by a mile. Try using quality stats instead of quantity stats. 4500 yards on 616 attempts still equates to 7.3 yards per attempt. Jake had 3300 yards on 414 attempts which equates to 7.9 yards per attempt. How about TDs as a percentage of attempts? I TD per every 24 attempts for Cutler. I TD every 27 attempts for Jake.

How about passer completion rate. Cutler is at 62%, Jake around 60%.

If you look at the numbers devoid of opinion Cutler had slightly better stats than a quarterback coming off Tommy John Surgery. Cutler played a weaker schedule and faded as the year went on. Jake played a tougher schedule and his last 3 games he had a passer rating over 100 when the season was on the line. Our defense was very little better than Denver the second half of the season.

I am not saying that Cutler won't prove to be better and surely has better physical skills. And I would pick him if I were looking for a quarterback of the future.

But to say he is better by a mile is belied by facts. He is not much better. Too many of you guys look at the big flashy numbers and say how great he is without looking any deeper much like people see a shiny new car but forget to look under the hood.

Again, with what happened to Denver's running game and their defense....put Jake in those shoes and see how good his numbers are. We can not rely on Jake if something happened to our running game and we had to rely more on the pass

[panthers55]

You don't think trading peppers and delhomme would be worth getting a quarterback who'll make this team competitive and as long as we keep a decent supporting cast around him, in the mix for the playoffs for the next 5-10 isn't worth it?

Of course not. What makes you think that Cutler would be happy here throwing the ball 25 times a game? He would be bitching and whining about how he isn't used properly and how we run too much.

[Nu Guns]

Of course not. What makes you think that Cutler would be happy here throwing the ball 25 times a game? He would be bitching and whining about how he isn't used properly and how we run too much.

I dont think so....our play action would be off the charts

[SmootsDaddy89]

I don't blame Cutler for having a crummy defense or for being THE reason his team didn't make the playoffs, I blame him for his performances that didn't help overcome that. The whole point of a "Franchise QB" is having a guy who can "put the team on his back" when other aspects of the team suck, right? He has far from proven he can even make the offense great in those circumstances despite a nice corps of guys to throw to (OVERALL better than Carolina's) and the best OL in the free world last year in pass pro (Yes, Collins was sacked 3 fewer times but he also passed 200 fewer times). People say the Broncos were horrible as a rushing offense but they averaged over 116 yds/game in 2008 which I believe is is a better rush offense than Jake ever had behind him except this past year & 2003. Why bother getting Cutler? That's not an upgrade, especially for the $$ he and Bus baby are most likely gonna want.

The thing about what you're saying is that it wasn't JUST Cutler that was under-performing those last three weeks. The entire Broncos TEAM absolutely collapsed the three weeks of the season. That's why Mike Shanahan got the boot. In fact, one of the few players I noticed in their game against us that looked like he was TRYING to win was Cutler. He was slinging the ball to the best of his ability despite the fact that his running backs were getting hit behind the line and his receivers were dropping balls. But that's just my opinion

The last seven weeks of the season, including the Arizona game, our defense was HORRIBLE. With one exception. The Denver game. Now the Broncos happened to be a team averaging 23+ points per game at the time and 400 yards, which was second in the league. So either our defense magically had one of their best games of the season in the middle of the crapfest that they were playing at the end of last year in holding them under 300 yards and to 10 points, or the Broncos were THAT bad by the time that we played them.

And for the record, I didn't say Cutler didn't have a run game at all last season, but the last three games (coinciding with the collapse) the Broncos averaged less than 100 yards per game as a team on the ground.

Yes Cutler has issues, but there's no reason to think those issues cannot be corrected and he couldn't become a franchise quarterback who doesn't cause problems and could keep us competitive for the next ten years. Jake Delhomme is NOT going to do that no matter how well he plays next year because he only has a few years left in the tank.

I agree with other posters in that this doesn't really matter because Fox enjoys being teabagged by Jake way too much to ever consider another option besides him. They'd roll him out in a wheelchair and oxygen machine when he's 97 years old if they had to in order to keep him playing.

[carpanfan96]

I dont get it???!!!

What is wrong with you people?

Cutler is better then Delhomme by a mile.

4K yrds last year...2nd in offense while using a 100 different running backs and a horrid defense.

Cutler has every right to be mad, and if you disagree with that you have not been paying close enough attention. I think many of you need to switch to direct tv so you can watch nfl access and get more infomation about what actually happened in Denver. Whatever you people are smoking thinking we have a better shot with Jake please pass it around

I'm not smoking anything, I never said he shouldn't be mad. He should be pissed like he is. His team put him in a rotten situation where he looks like the bad guy. I just stated that this team is jake's team, they rally around him. There isn't a big difference between the two in terms of stats, Qb rating is only 1.3 percent difference and Completion percentage is like 2. 8 percent difference.

That in a year where jake had just had surgery on his throwing arm and was inconsistent because of that reason. If Cutler was all that much better then Jake, wouldn't his number show it?????? They don't, he has more yards because they threw the ball more then we did, (over 200 attempts more),

The denver running game was ranked 12th in the league in total rushing yards, they were tied with us for 2nd in Rushing average per attempt, 14th in rushing td's. That while they were 28th in attempts per game.....They had a freaking great ground game, they just didn't use it enough, because they were dropping like flies.

Passing game stats for denver.....Lets do it.

Us - 4th in YPA at 7.9

Denver 9th in YPA at 7.3

Jake average more yards per attempt, you can't use wr rule here either. They had Marshall, Royal and Scheffler to throw to.

attempts

Denver - 620 - 3rd in the nfl

Us - 32 - dead last in passing attempts

Completions

Denver - 386 - 4th in the nfl

Us - 246 - 30th in the league

Completion percentage

Denver - 62.3 percent - 14th in the league

Us - 59.4 percent - 22nd in the league

Passing Td's

Denver - 25 - 7th in the league

Us - 15 - 24th in the league

Int

Denver - 18 - 8th in the league

Us - 12 - 22nd in the league

Now you know the stats

Mr. Cutler with all those attempts had a measly 10 more passes over 20 yards, with all those great pass catchers.

Passes over 20

Cutler - 55 - 3rd overall

Delhomme - 45 - 10th overall

Passes over 40

Delhomme - 9 - 10th overall

Cutler - 7 - 15th overall

Qb rating -

Cutler - 85.9

Delhomm - 84.7

A 1.2 difference in qb rating when Cutler was throwing a bunch of short route passes while Delhomme was throwing deep play action passes.

Doesn't mean that cutler >>> delhomme in our system

what that means is Delhomme >>>> cutler in our system

Delhomme like I was saying fits our style of offense better.

None the less lets go into defense... Since I've proved they had a good running game, they just didn't use it. Why???? They are a pass first offense.

Lets compare them to the team they were trying to catch in their division shall we????

They gave up 20 yards more per game then SD........who made the playoff's.

Denver's defense was on the Field for 9 more seconds per game then the Chargers who made the playoff's

Sd had two more sacks

Denver 26

SD - 28

Turnover's forced and Touchdowns off of Turnovers

Sd had 24 forced turnovers - 3 td's

Denver had 13 forced turnovers - 2 td's

Points allowed

Denver was 16th in points allowed

Sd was 30th in points allowed

Yet SD made the playoffs - explain that one too me.

Cutler had 7 of his Int on first and second down. He also had both of his lost fumbles on first down as well. So out of his 20 turnovers 9 were on first and second down. = defense is going to be on the field a lot when you turn it over that much on your first two downs.

He never gave his defense a chance that and his team's offensive scheme did that defense in. When you only average 28 minutes and some change on offense per game then your defense is going to get tired, I've already proved that the Denver running game wasn't as bad as it's made out to be, they just tried to throw a lot and weren't successful at it in terms of turnovers and such. That's just leaving your defense hanging.