Injuries

[PantherFanForLife]

so basically what you're saying is the offense, led by a rookie, is still limited in it's ability to get into a shootout with any team (not just the defending champs) because it will leave points on the table...and it's up to the defense to take up the slack by limiting the opponents' score so the points the offense left on the table won't matter.

this defense can't do that.

this is half of why they say a rookie qb's best friend is a stout defense and a good run game. both limit the opposing team's offense and take pressure of carrying an offense on his back off of a rookie qb.

carolina has neither.

jacksonville has both.

should be an interesting game.

No, I think I made it pretty clear that what I believe is that our offense doesn't need to turn over the ball 4 times. I also don't expect them to continue doing this every single week.

The turn over battle isn't something new. It's been the key since football was invented.

We limit turn overs, we will be fine with the D we have. If we can swing it in our favor....even better! But it's not the D's job to limit OUR own offense's turn overs. That's on the offense.

And you can't realistically expect to ask any D in the national football league to get you 4 turn overs every game. That's just not going to happen. You can, however, ask and expect your Offense to limit those.

[DickolausJ]

Our Defense is only going to get better as the season goes on. Call me crazy but that is what I believe.

[Happy Panther]

Why do people keep starting threads and asking THE SAME QUESTIONS over and over and over?

Probably because search doesn't work and some of us are too busy to open every thread or dig through pages and pages of crap just so you aren't inconvenienced.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

defenses can't make up for every mistake, which is what it sounds like you're saying.. eventually they break down.

no.

for all of it's excitement, this team is more one dimensional than it's ever been.

special teams is bleh.

the defense is borderline bad.

and the run game is nonexistent.

this is not a formula to have a rookie qb under center...no matter how many records he breaks every week. a mistake in the passing game is compounded by the fact that there's no way to make up the difference except by passing the ball even more...which can lead to even more mistakes.

now more than ever, i am excited by this team just like everyone else...but i can't sit back and see just the silver lining when the dark cloud is as big as the sky.

[mwright350]

We are undeniably one dimensional right now just as we have been for the past several years, just on the other half of the coin. The difference between right now and the past regime is that we have a prospect of NOT being one dimensional and a coaching staff that is probably actively working on bringing the other aspects of the offense up to par.

I guess the way I look at it is this: you expect a brand new system / staff to be a little one dimensional while they are still installing their system (especially with a shortened off season)..you do not expect a coach 9 years in to be more one dimensional than he was when he started. As long as we're progressively less one dimensional as the season goes on I'm not concerned.

[Kyle82]

Our D will eat up the Jags :cool:

[Happy Panther]

We are undeniably one dimensional right now just as we have been for the past several years, just on the other half of the coin. The difference between right now and the past regime is that we have a prospect of NOT being one dimensional and a coaching staff that is probably actively working on bringing the other aspects of the offense up to par.

I guess the way I look at it is this: you expect a brand new system / staff to be a little one dimensional while they are still installing their system (especially with a shortened off season)..you do not expect a coach 9 years in to be more one dimensional than he was when he started. As long as we're progressively less one dimensional as the season goes on I'm not concerned.

Let's get some wins before we keep blaming our woes on Fox.

It will be much easier.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

Our D will eat up the Jags :cool:

people are thinking about gabbert...in the mean time, mjd is foaming at the mouth for this defense.

[chef17]

Come again? What games were you watching? Our offense was very much in position of that in both of the past games.

We arguable left 19 points on the field this past Sunday to the 23 we put up. 3 FG's instead of touchdowns and one complete set of downs in the red zone. We could have had 42 points to GB's 30 and that's with us giving them points off of 4 turn overs to boot!

Our D made one or two mistakes and got burned in that game. But our O made a lot more mistakes in not capitalizing in the red zone. Our O was also the reason we gave them 4 turnovers, not our D.

Our O lost us the game this past Sunday. Our D did about as fine a job as one would expect in containing Green Bay. Forget even the points left on the field. If our O doesn't turn over the ball 4 times, we win the game. GB scored off of all of those.

Any time your offense turns over the ball 4 times, they will put THEMSELVES out of position to win the games. I have a hard time finding fault with the D on offensive turn overs. Not to mention field position.

Green bay got points off of each turn over. 4 turn overs = 12 free points to Green Bay. The D actually did it's job here to keep them to 3 points on each turn over! There's not much more you can ask of them when we turn over the ball past midfield. And we only lost by 7. So even if we fail to capitalize on every opportunity, there is nothing wrong with expecting our O to limit turn overs.

Any team that turns over the ball 4 times in the National Football League is going to most likely lose the game, and that includes Elite teams like Green Bay, Patriots. If GB turned the ball over 4 times to us we would have murdered them. It would have been a blow out!

PS: So to go back to the original question, can our D keep up if we can be in that type of position against Green Bay? Well, let me ask the question, you know how much our O's mistakes cost us? I'll put it to you in a score format: 42 Panthers - 18 GB. Yes, that score was entirely possible this past Sunday, if only our O didn't make the mistakes they did. The answer is obvious. Yes, our D, can indeed, keep us in the game. The question should be, can our O keep themselves in a position to win games?

The problem with this argument is you can't assume we score more points without affecting how many points GB would have scored. If we would have scored TDs instead of FGs we have no idea how that would have affected GB gameplans. Can't assume GB would have still only scored 30 if we scored 42

[paulSM]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/858363-nfl-carolina-panthers-and-the-5-teams-hit-hardest-by-injuries#/articles/858363-nfl-carolina-panthers-and-the-5-teams-hit-hardest-by-injuries/page/6

here's a link. BR ranks us as the team hit the worst by injuries.

The point is we can't expect to be all that good on defense because of all of the injuries. Is our offense good enough to compensate... maybe. so far, no (and the D has been playing over it's head... and seemed to come down to earth when TD went out). You can say we could have had 42 points... but we didn't. period. And I think we'll be continuing to see mistakes on that side of the ball for a while. I'm not complaining. It's a growing process with young receivers, a rookie QB, and a new offense. In the end, if the D were healthy I think it could bail out our O mistakes. It's not. because of that I think we're looking at 6 wins max.

[PantherFanForLife]

The problem with this argument is you can't assume we score more points without affecting how many points GB would have scored. If we would have scored TDs instead of FGs we have no idea how that would have affected GB gameplans. Can't assume GB would have still only scored 30 if we scored 42

Actually here's what most people seem to miss: a turnover hurts you TWICE.

A turnover takes care of that argument and this is why: Not only does it give the other team free points, but if it wasn't a turn over, that drive can end up in additional points for us, that I did not account for in my argument.

So you also can't assume that if we didn't turn over the ball we would have "only" ended up with 42. We know we arguably left 19 on the field and we know we gave away 12. We don't know how GB would have responded had we went ahead and got them, that is true,...but we also don't know how many additional points that would have added up for us either if our drives continued and we never turned over the ball in the first place. Even if we only got field goals, that's still 12 more for us on top of the 42! Good luck to them, I say, if they're sitting on 18.

The point is not only did we leave points on the field, not only did we give away 12 points but we also gave away 4 additional drives that could have resulted in even more points for us! I didn't account for those in my arguments. The number of drives for us got subtracted. Not GB's. Whether we scored, or turned over the ball, they still would have had that next drive.

It's also time of possession we would have that we gave to them. It's also kicking the ball instead of giving them field position. In fact it could have affected them worse...they may have ended up with even less than 18, if we didn't turn over the ball so much because they would have had less time to play, and more field to travel.

[paulSM]

Ok, what you're missing is that with our inexperience and new offense turnovers should be expected. and our D is too hurt to make up for it, so loses with follow. Not blaming the offense... they're doing great. not blaming the defense... they're trying hard.

you guys keep arguing about this "balance between offensive and defensive responsibility" where we have to score more then we allow. I think that injuries are going to be the difference that pushes us into giving up more points then we score.

[bleys]

no.

for all of it's excitement, this team is more one dimensional than it's ever been.

special teams is bleh.

the defense is borderline bad.

and the run game is nonexistent.

this is not a formula to have a rookie qb under center...no matter how many records he breaks every week. a mistake in the passing game is compounded by the fact that there's no way to make up the difference except by passing the ball even more...which can lead to even more mistakes.

now more than ever, i am excited by this team just like everyone else...but i can't sit back and see just the silver lining when the dark cloud is as big as the sky.

regardless of whether I agree fully or not.. what the fug else did you expect this year? :lol:

[Happy Panther]

regardless of whether I agree fully or not.. what the fug else did you expect this year? :lol:

Well. when the season started all i heard about was how this team needed a QB and a coach. the rest of the team consists of, at worst, good players and, at best, pro-bowlers.

As it turns out we found a record setting QB who is playing like a veteran from minute 1.

So it looks like to me the rebuilding is done. Let's starting kicking other teams in the teeth.