Injuries

[paulSM]

Can we really expect to be a very good defense right now? Two of our top 3 defenders are out for the season. not to mention our starting DT and a potential starter in Hogan. Add that to the two starters down on offense (schwartz and Gettis) and that puts us at almost 1/3 of our starters out for the season due to injuries...(and of course Otah's health always up in the air) and it's only week two. Yikes, how much can we really expect?

Two questions... 1. we keep having injury plagued seasons. Are we cursed or do we need a new training staff?

2. How high can our expectations be when we're hurt this bad. Our defense is going to get gashed. I thing 6 wins is the ceiling and 3 the floor.

[Mvp2014]

I'm not sure if we have a new training staff this year, if not, then yes. We've had an awful time staying healthy

[jtnc]

I'm not sure if we have a new training staff this year, if not, then yes. We've had an awful time staying healthy

Have you not looked around the league? Injuries are happening to every DAMN team. :incazzato:

[Hoenheim]

I think our defense is definitely going to be a major weakness in games to come, way too many injuries. Still though, doesn't mean we cant win some games. I think it'll be more apparent when we play good teams after Jacksonville that our defense might be the determining factor in a win or a loss.

Bears and saints coming up could both be really good measurements of whether or not our defense will be able to let us win against competitive teams

[nosuchthingasapanther]

the defense was suspect at best to begin with.

i called it at the beginning of the season. it's the achilles of the team.

[PantherFanForLife]

Can we really expect to be a very good defense right now? Two of our top 3 defenders are out for the season. not to mention our starting DT and a potential starter in Hogan. Add that to the two starters down on offense (schwartz and Gettis) and that puts us at almost 1/3 of our starters out for the season due to injuries...(and of course Otah's health always up in the air) and it's only week two. Yikes, how much can we really expect?

Two questions... 1. we keep having injury plagued seasons. Are we cursed or do we need a new training staff?

2. How high can our expectations be when we're hurt this bad. Our defense is going to get gashed. I thing 6 wins is the ceiling and 3 the floor.

The way I look at it is your defense only has to be good enough to keep your opponent's offense scoring ability below your team's offense scoring ability.

With Cam Newton at the helm, our defense can take a hit. Because while they may have had to be the type of D that always needed to keep our opponents scoring low in the past <20......our offense is easily good for at least 2 touchdowns more this year than it was in the past.

While we have yet to do it this year, I can easily see how this is the type of team that can win a game with an ending score of 37-28 or even 42-35.

Before our D had to make sure most teams would stay under 2 TDs, 3 at most. With a 500 yard-a-game capable Offense, it's now probably 4-5. We probably left 19 points on the field this past Sunday(3 FG that should have been TD's + one botched red zone set) and still ended up with 23. If our O cleans it up enough to get at least half of those we'll be fine.

Do I still want the type of D that keeps our Opponents under single digits? Sure. But I think unlike prior years, this O can compensate.

[carpanfan96]

I'm not sure if we have a new training staff this year, if not, then yes. We've had an awful time staying healthy

Same training staff, new Strength and Conditioning coach.

[Panths]

We do have a lot but it's not just us: IR/PUP list by team

[nosuchthingasapanther]

The way I look at it is your defense only has to be good enough to keep your opponent's offense scoring ability below your team's offense scoring ability.

With Cam Newton at the helm, our defense can take a hit. Because while they may have had to be the type of D that always needed to keep our opponents scoring low in the past <20......our offense is easily good for at least 2 touchdowns more this year than it was in the past.

While we have yet to do it this year, I can easily see how this is the type of team that can win a game with an ending score of 37-28 or even 42-35.

Before our D had to make sure most teams would stay under 2 TDs, 3 at most. With a 500 yard-a-game capable Offense, it's now probably 4-5. We probably left 19 points on the field this past Sunday(3 FG that should have been TD's + one botched red zone set) and still ended up with 23. If our O cleans it up enough to get at least half of those we'll be fine.

Do I still want the type of D that keeps our Opponents under single digits? Sure. But I think unlike prior years, this O can compensate.

...but the problem is the defense isn't capable of keeping the opponents' score in a manageable position so the offense can win.

[PantherFanForLife]

...but the problem is the defense isn't capable of keeping the opponents' score in a manageable position so the offense can win.

Come again? What games were you watching? Our offense was very much in position of that in both of the past games.

We arguable left 19 points on the field this past Sunday to the 23 we put up. 3 FG's instead of touchdowns and one complete set of downs in the red zone. We could have had 42 points to GB's 30 and that's with us giving them points off of 4 turn overs to boot!

Our D made one or two mistakes and got burned in that game. But our O made a lot more mistakes in not capitalizing in the red zone. Our O was also the reason we gave them 4 turnovers, not our D.

Our O lost us the game this past Sunday. Our D did about as fine a job as one would expect in containing Green Bay. Forget even the points left on the field. If our O doesn't turn over the ball 4 times, we win the game. GB scored off of all of those.

Any time your offense turns over the ball 4 times, they will put THEMSELVES out of position to win the games. I have a hard time finding fault with the D on offensive turn overs. Not to mention field position.

Green bay got points off of each turn over. 4 turn overs = 12 free points to Green Bay. The D actually did it's job here to keep them to 3 points on each turn over! There's not much more you can ask of them when we turn over the ball past midfield. And we only lost by 7. So even if we fail to capitalize on every opportunity, there is nothing wrong with expecting our O to limit turn overs.

Any team that turns over the ball 4 times in the National Football League is going to most likely lose the game, and that includes Elite teams like Green Bay, Patriots. If GB turned the ball over 4 times to us we would have murdered them. It would have been a blow out!

PS: So to go back to the original question, can our D keep up if we can be in that type of position against Green Bay? Well, let me ask the question, you know how much our O's mistakes cost us? I'll put it to you in a score format: 42 Panthers - 18 GB. Yes, that score was entirely possible this past Sunday, if only our O didn't make the mistakes they did. The answer is obvious. Yes, our D, can indeed, keep us in the game. The question should be, can our O keep themselves in a position to win games?

[MadHatter]

Why do people keep starting threads and asking THE SAME QUESTIONS over and over and over?

[Panthercougar68]

We do have a lot but it's not just us: IR/PUP list by team

Noticed they don't have Beason listed for us...weird.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

Come again? What games were you watching? Our offense was very much in position of that in both of the past games.

We arguable left 19 points on the field this past Sunday to the 23 we put up. 3 FG's instead of touchdowns and one complete set of downs in the red zone. We could have had 42 points to GB's 30 and that's with us giving them points off of 4 turn overs to boot!

Our D made one or two mistakes and got burned in that game. But our O made a lot more mistakes in not capitalizing in the red zone. Our O was also the reason we gave them 4 turnovers, not our D.

Our O lost us the game this past Sunday. Our D did about as fine a job as one would expect in containing Green Bay. Forget even the points left on the field. If our O doesn't turn over the ball 4 times, we win the game. GB scored off of all of those.

Any time your offense turns over the ball 4 times, they will put THEMSELVES out of position to win the games. I have a hard time finding fault with the D on offensive turn overs. Not to mention field position.

Green bay got points off of each turn over. 4 turn overs = 12 free points to Green Bay. The D actually did it's job here to keep them to 3 points on each turn over! There's not much more you can ask of them when we turn over the ball past midfield. And we only lost by 7. So even if we fail to capitalize on every opportunity, there is nothing wrong with expecting our O to limit turn overs.

Any team that turns over the ball 4 times in the National Football League is going to most likely lose the game, and that includes Elite teams like Green Bay, Patriots. If GB turned the ball over 4 times to us we would have murdered them. It would have been a blow out!

PS: So to go back to the original question, can our D keep up if we can be in that type of position against Green Bay? Well, let me ask the question, you know how much our O's mistakes cost us? I'll put it to you in a score format: 42 Panthers - 18 GB. Yes, that score was entirely possible this past Sunday, if only our O didn't make the mistakes they did. The answer is obvious. Yes, our D, can indeed, keep us in the game. The question should be, can our O keep themselves in a position to win games?

so basically what you're saying is the offense, led by a rookie, is still limited in it's ability to get into a shootout with any team (not just the defending champs) because it will leave points on the table...and it's up to the defense to take up the slack by limiting the opponents' score so the points the offense left on the table won't matter.

this defense can't do that.

this is half of why they say a rookie qb's best friend is a stout defense and a good run game. both limit the opposing team's offense and take pressure of carrying an offense off of a rookie qb.

carolina has neither.

jacksonville has both.

should be an interesting game.

[bleys]

so basically what you're saying is the offense, led by a rookie, is still limited in it's ability to get into a shootout with any team (not just the defending champs) because it will leave points on the table...and it's up to the defense to take up the slack by limiting the opponents' score so the points the offense left on the table won't matter.

this defense can't do that.

this is half of why they say a rookie qb's best friend is a stout defense and a good run game. both limit the opposing team's offense and take pressure of carrying an offense off of a rookie qb.

carolina has neither.

jacksonville has both.

should be an interesting game.

defenses can't make up for every mistake, which is what it sounds like you're saying.. eventually they break down.