Naanee or LaFell?

[pantherj]

I have a feeling that Naane will miss a record number of TD passes this season if he continues to start. Something about that guy just bothers me. I don't really know if it's his fault, or Cam is missing the throws just to him, but he just seems to lack passion and fire for the game. And it's not like he has super talent, sometimes I have to hold my finger up to see if he's moving. **** luck with your recovery Gettis.

[Cat'sGrowl]

I acknowledged in the game notes that Newton should have been able to hit Naanee easily on that pass. Had another chance next play, but then it was already known that his short accuracy is not as good as his longball is.

With that said, watching Naanee flail like a kid falling into a pool going for that one high pass mad me cringe. A big receiver needs better body control than Naanee seems to have to be dangerous. He doesn't get open as consistently as I'd like to see either.

I'd start Gettis over either one of them if he were available, but... :(

This is honestly getting kind of annoying Scot. You keep trying to find these holes in his game and he keeps proving you wrong. Like the whole "gunslinger" thing earlier. He's a rookie QB. He's bound to make poor choices.

What we are seeing now isn't the finished product-that is going to be much much much better. He isn't doomed to throw 3 INT games his entire career just because he wasn't a "cerebral, pocket QB" in Mel Kiper's scouting report of him.

I know you weren't a big Cam fan because he isn't your prototypical idea of what you want in a QB, but he keeps proving people wrong and you keep finding some other imaginary hole in his game that you want to poke at.

A month ago he was wildly inaccurate, too stupid to play at this level, etc etc etc..

I just don't understand why you've branded him with all these permanent weaknesses that are more than likely nothing more than rookie errors. Everything Cam has shown us so far is that he is going to be very special, but you seem set in your way that he is doomed to be "solid." I'm not going to jump the gun and proclaim him a HoF'er, because I know it's early for that, but that means it's also early to proclaim as "decent," which you seem to be doing, especially when he has done everything to prove otherwise.

I suppose your pessimism is just annoying. You always seem to be debbie downing on something, even if it doesn't seem factually correct based on the evidence given to us.

:boxing_smiley:

[PanthersPhan18]

This is honestly getting kind of annoying Scot. You keep trying to find these holes in his game and he keeps proving you wrong. Like the whole "gunslinger" thing earlier. He's a rookie QB. He's bound to make poor choices.

What we are seeing now isn't the finished product-that is going to be much much much better. He isn't doomed to throw 3 INT games his entire career just because he wasn't a "cerebral, pocket QB" in Mel Kiper's scouting report of him.

I know you weren't a big Cam fan because he isn't your prototypical idea of what you want in a QB, but he keeps proving people wrong and you keep finding some other imaginary hole in his game that you want to poke at.

A month ago he was wildly inaccurate, too stupid to play at this level, etc etc etc..

I just don't understand why you've branded him with all these permanent weaknesses that are more than likely nothing more than rookie errors. Everything Cam has shown us so far is that he is going to be very special, but you seem set in your way that he is doomed to be "solid." I'm not going to jump the gun and proclaim him a HoF'er, because I know it's early for that, but that means it's also early to proclaim as "decent," which you seem to be doing, especially when he has done everything to prove otherwise.

I suppose your pessimism is just annoying. You always seem to be debbie downing on something, even if it doesn't seem factually correct based on the evidence given to us.

:boxing_smiley:

People on this site can't criticize Cam at all. If they do, they are trolls, they are annoying, they are haters, etc.

[DickolausJ]

This is honestly getting kind of annoying Scot. You keep trying to find these holes in his game and he keeps proving you wrong. Like the whole "gunslinger" thing earlier. He's a rookie QB. He's bound to make poor choices.

What we are seeing now isn't the finished product-that is going to be much much much better. He isn't doomed to throw 3 INT games his entire career just because he wasn't a "cerebral, pocket QB" in Mel Kiper's scouting report of him.

I know you weren't a big Cam fan because he isn't your prototypical idea of what you want in a QB, but he keeps proving people wrong and you keep finding some other imaginary hole in his game that you want to poke at.

A month ago he was wildly inaccurate, too stupid to play at this level, etc etc etc..

I just don't understand why you've branded him with all these permanent weaknesses that are more than likely nothing more than rookie errors. Everything Cam has shown us so far is that he is going to be very special, but you seem set in your way that he is doomed to be "solid." I'm not going to jump the gun and proclaim him a HoF'er, because I know it's early for that, but that means it's also early to proclaim as "decent," which you seem to be doing, especially when he has done everything to prove otherwise.

I suppose your pessimism is just annoying. You always seem to be debbie downing on something, even if it doesn't seem factually correct based on the evidence given to us.

:boxing_smiley:

I think Scot was just replying to my comment that I thought it was Cam's fault that Naanee has been underperforming.

Cam does struggle in short yardage accuracy. I don't think anyone is denying that. Mr. Scot did talk about the struggles of being a rookie. I don't think he has been unfair in his assessment of the kid.

I think any reasonable Panther fan hopes and wants him to improve.

[Mr. Scot]

This is honestly getting kind of annoying Scot. You keep trying to find these holes in his game and he keeps proving you wrong. Like the whole "gunslinger" thing earlier. He's a rookie QB. He's bound to make poor choices.

What we are seeing now isn't the finished product-that is going to be much much much better. He isn't doomed to throw 3 INT games his entire career just because he wasn't a "cerebral, pocket QB" in Mel Kiper's scouting report of him.

I know you weren't a big Cam fan because he isn't your prototypical idea of what you want in a QB, but he keeps proving people wrong and you keep finding some other imaginary hole in his game that you want to poke at.

A month ago he was wildly inaccurate, too stupid to play at this level, etc etc etc.

I just don't understand why you've branded him with all these permanent weaknesses that are more than likely nothing more than rookie errors. Everything Cam has shown us so far is that he is going to be very special, but you seem set in your way that he is doomed to be "solid." I'm not going to jump the gun and proclaim him a HoF'er, because I know it's early for that, but that means it's also early to proclaim as "decent," which you seem to be doing, especially when he has done everything to prove otherwise.

I suppose your pessimism is just annoying. You always seem to be debbie downing on something, even if it doesn't seem factually correct based on the evidence given to us.

:boxing_smiley:

Again, it's called "analysis" :sosp:

And for the full take, you might want to check the Game Notes thread (excerpts below).

Like week one, a record setting day in the yards department, though overall a little rougher outing (no shock against a better opponent). Not sure how anyone can still question whether or not the “gunslinger” label applies, though hopefully people realize that’s just a playing style, not a weakness. Going after Charles Woodson was definitely a gunslinger move. Sadly, that one came back to bite us.

...

But with that said, I’m hoping the coaches don’t attempt to tone down the gunslinger aspect of Newton’s game. Henning tried that with Delhomme in early 2005 and got poor results. With this type of player, if you try to make them play it safe, you take away one of the things that makes them good. Back in 2005, lots of us were saying “let Jake be Jake”. It might not be necessary to say “let Cam be Cam” with this staff because aggression is their calling card, but keep a watch on it.

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All in all, Newton still looks like a rookie sometimes, but an extremely promising rookie, arguably more promising than any rookie that's come down the pike in a long time. The Packer defenders were saying post game that they were glad they got him while he was still learning. More than one person has said that once he “figures it all out”, he’ll be dangerous. Given that he’s shown he can already be fairly dangerous, I look forward to that.

He's not perfect. There are definitely things to critique on Newton right now, and even as he goes on there will still be issues. Every quarterback has them. I'll point them out with Newton same as I would with any other player. That's just honest analysis. I was a Jake Delhomme fan too, though I acknowledged he had his flaws.

bottom Line: Any expectation that newton wouldn't still have things to work on after only two starts in the NFL would be pretty silly. But if, after all that, you still think I'm negative on Newton, I'm guessing you missed this post from the "Luck sweepstakes" thread (link)

I am as big an Andrew Luck fan as you will find and would have loved to have hade him as our QB of the future.

With that said...

Barring either a meltdown of epic proportions, a career altering injury or some other wacky, unforeseen circumstance, this team does not nees to think about using a high pick on a quarterback for a while.

While you're at it, check out this thread (link). Lot of pessimism in that one too :rolleyes:

[rodeo]

Really I can only name a few short throws that have been off the mark, and oddly enough Naane was involved in all of them. There have been some plays in the redzone that cost us points, but they are generally like the Goodson one where it was complete but he just couldn't get across the line, or someone couldn't get their feet down.

The inaccurate throws seem to go to Naane for some reason. He's kind of like the Pugh of the offense. He may not be the direct cause, but he sure seems to be intricately involved in just about every broken play.

[hank pimple butt]

LaFell

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I've only seen Naanee get open one time... and he got called for offensive pass interference :lol:

[weymouthst]

Lafell, no question.

Guy has made big plays, let him continue to show what he's got.

Naanee has played well too, but the upside for Lafell is much greater.

[Chaos]

I'm not sure how much "heart" that LaFell has, but my impression is that Naanee has none. LaFell has made the sideline catches and has shown great toe-tapping technique and control all the way to the ground, with contact. Naanee runs his routes like a lazy fug who looks like he would rather be somewhere else.

As an aside, what I recall from Gettis last year and what I've seen from Cam this year lead me to believe that they could make a special tandem.

[rodeo]

I think it's time to try Ajirotutu in some plays, he may be a good #3.

[CLG]

Lafell, he's made plays and he blocks well. I remember seeing the highlight of him blocking for the WR Screen to smitty and being the main reason it went so far. Afterwards, he seemed to be pumped up along with Smitty about the play. Little things like that shows the heart, and devotion someone has for his teammates. I really hadnt seen anything from Naanee to give him credit for. Not in preseason, and not now.

[beastson]

I think it's time to try Ajirotutu in some plays, he may be a good #3.

I think I've been the only one asking about him where is he

And Goodson should be in slot some plays, I'm telling ppl

[rodeo]

I think I've been the only one asking about him where is he

And Goodson should be in slot some plays, I'm telling ppl

I don't know about the slot, but Goodson should be getting screens. He would be a great part of this offense.

Tutu plays special teams but I haven't seen him on the offense yet.