Newton's Prototype

[thefuzz]

Elway is not my favorite QB of all time, but he is who Cam most resembles to me.

[Mr. Scot]

Elway actually is one of my favorites.

(Favre too, although the past few years took him down a peg)

[rayzor]

I love how everyone argues with Mr. Scot when he says Cam is a gunslinger but Rayzor said the same thing and no one has anything to say

that's usually the opposite of the way it is.

I don't know that his style will evolve that much. Don't really care if it does, honestly.

Stylewise, I could be pretty happy with what I saw yesterday.

i think that may be close to what it will be like with him as a passer, but we've yet to see how they plan to use him as a runner. overall, i don't know what to expect, but i do expect it to be broader than what we saw yesterday. but, like you, i would be content with his style of play yesterday being the norm. knowing that there is still more elements to his game that have yet to be revealed and that there is a lot more room for growth that will be happening this season and when he has the benefit of an entire offseason...that just makes me ecstatic.

I thought the draft buzz on Cam is he had really good deep ball accuracy and was amazingly accurate with the deep ball on the run. His main accuracy issues historically were short horizontal passes. Yesterday those didn't seem to be a problem either.

yes, he was more accurate on deep balls and it was impressive. again, i wouldn't consider him a sniper in that regard, but he's not inaccurate. he is on target enough for his receivers to get the ball and some of his placements are amazing. it was in the short and especially mid range throws that there was legit criticism, but it seems like he is overcoming that.

I'm sorry... even if your interpretation is what he really meant (which given the volume of anti-Cam rhetoric from him pre-draft I doubt), then it's just backtracking from Mr. Scot on Newton, and a subtle shot at him because we lost as a team.

It's ok though. He'll silence all the doubters in time... even the one's who won't man up to being just that.

newsflash...some people change their opinion on things. actually, that happens to just about everyone and it's ok for that to happen. everybody is wrong some of the time. it's about as common as taking a crap. mr. scot, like many others, are changing their opinions about him based on what they saw that they may not have seen before.

Again... your arguments against him pre-draft color your comments now. I can't take you seriously, as someone saying they are objective, no matter what you say you're happy about.

again, so someone can't change their opinion on a matter?

there were valid reasons for not wanting him, esp. if you expect QBs to fit a certain mold and that they should go through the same process as others who have been successful. it's not an opinion i share, but it's one i can respect and have respected.

cam isn't your ordinary QB. he's just a different breed of player. the path he took to get here was far from normal and his past did leave room for a lot of questions about him as a player and a person (which mr. scot never discussed to my recollection). there are legit concerns about the system he came from as well as the fact that he only started one year at auburn. there were also legit concerns about whether or not he should sit for a year or two. it isn't safe to put a rookie out there and it could very well result in disaster...esp. in a situation like newton found himself in. losing team with a new coaching staff, new system, really shortened offseason....it's a gamble.

many of us were of the opinion that it was worth the risk and there were plenty of us who didn't see it as being nearly as risky as others. it was just that, though...an opinion.

you're almost talking to mr. scot like he's GRG or TRD or some negative troll that could never find anything good to say about him and who did nothing but come in and criticize at every opportunity. that isn't the case at all. he had legit questions and concerns about him that he is finding out the answer to.

i respect anyone who is willing to change their opinion of someone or something and it won't keep me from valuing their opinion about other things later on.

[Zithers]

My friend actually compared him to Favre after yesterday's game... strange.

[whatever]

Elway is not my favorite QB of all time, but he is who Cam most resembles to me.

Elway's not a bad comparison. both are/were mobile QBs with a cannon and the size to take a lot of punishment. the only major difference is that Elway, other than scrambling for a first down every now and then, didn't really cross the LOS all that often.

stats-wise, i think that he'll be more like Vick and Cunningham but, as far as skill sets go, he doesn't really remind me of Vick or Cunningham at all.

[Mr. Scot]

that's usually the opposite of the way it is.

Told ya, it's because you're better looking than I am (online anyway) :sosp:

i think that may be close to what it will be like with him as a passer, but we've yet to see how they plan to use him as a runner. overall, i don't know what to expect, but i do expect it to be broader than what we saw yesterday. but, like you, i would be content with his style of play yesterday being the norm. knowing that there is still more elements to his game that have yet to be revealed and that there is a lot more room for growth that will be happening this season and when he has the benefit of an entire offseason...that just makes me ecstatic.yes, he was more accurate on deep balls and it was impressive. again, i wouldn't consider him a sniper in that regard, but he's not inaccurate. he is on target enough for his receivers to get the ball and some of his placements are amazing. it was in the short and especially mid range throws that there was legit criticism, but it seems like he is overcoming that.newsflash...some people change their opinion on things. actually, that happens to just about everyone and it's ok for that to happen. everybody is wrong some of the time. it's about as common as taking a crap. mr. scot, like many others, are changing their opinions about him based on what they saw that they may not have seen before.again, so someone can't change their opinion on a matter?

there were valid reasons for not wanting him, esp. if you expect QBs to fit a certain mold and that they should go through the same process as others who have been successful. it's not an opinion i share, but it's one i can respect and have respected.

cam isn't your ordinary QB. he's just a different breed of player. the path he took to get here was far from normal and his past did leave room for a lot of questions about him as a player and a person (which mr. scot never discussed to my recollection). there are legit concerns about the system he came from as well as the fact that he only started one year at auburn. there were also legit concerns about whether or not he should sit for a year or two. it isn't safe to put a rookie out there and it could very well result in disaster...esp. in a situation like newton found himself in. losing team with a new coaching staff, new system, really shortened offseason....it's a gamble.

many of us were of the opinion that it was worth the risk and there were plenty of us who didn't see it as being nearly as risky as others. it was just that, though...an opinion.

you're almost talking to mr. scot like he's GRG or TRD or some negative troll that could never find anything good to say about him and who did nothing but come in and criticize at every opportunity. that isn't the case at all. he had legit questions and concerns about him that he is finding out the answer to.

i respect anyone who is willing to change their opinion of someone or something and it won't keep me from valuing their opinion about other things later on.

Did a little draft reminiscing just for the heck of it.

I remember not liking when we took some safety named Mike Minter over a highly touted fullback named Marc Edwards. Wasn't especially thrilled when we picked Thomas Davis over Derrick Johnson either. Loved the Dwayne Jarrett pick though. Thought we had a steal in that one. And thought Eric Shelton might turn into a worthy successor for Stephen Davis :lol:

Looking at the draft history and remembering my own takes, I've been right more than I've been wrong, but I'm far from perfect there. If I'm gonna be wrong though, I hope that it's on the positive side for the team rather than vice versa.

[panthersfan#2]

Cam definitely has some huge God given talents. He seems to have that Michael Jordan type magic. Whenever Cam is in the game, your team always has a pretty good chance of winning. You know he's going to make some really big plays.

Cam has a way of getting the other guys on the team play at higher levels. Auburn would have lost 2-3 games last year without Cam. No doubt about it.

Carolina Panthers fans are going to get to watch a lot of great football in the years ahead. He might blow a few games this year like all rookie QBs do, but he'll learn from them and get better as time goes on. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Panthers made the playoffs this year. That's what Cam does ... he blows people's minds. Kind of like Michael Jordan did in the NBA.

[Jackofalltrades]

Russell isn't a bad comparison if you're looking at size, mobility and a ridiculously strong arm. Personally he or McNair, Big Ben are the best comparison's.

[rico6]

Big Ben's escapability and size, and Mcnabb's oft-inaccurate (but when he's accurate he throws bullets) arm, Jake Delhomme's Gunslinger attitude is whatI see out of Cam.

[KillerKat]

Ask yourself this question: Would Jimmy Clausen have thrown some of the passes that Newton did yesterday?

For that matter, would Clausen have run the way Newton did, head forward, pushing for whatever he can get? Or would Clausen have slid when a guy got within five yards of him?

Gunslingers play with a balls-to-the-wall, all go, no quit, screw "living to fight another day" attitude. That's Newton. It was Delhomme too, but Newton has way more physical ability to bring to bear.

Will Newton ever be a precision passer? Probably not, but think of it this way:

Between Drew Bledsoe and Brett Favre, which one was more technically sound as a passer?

Of those two, which one would you rather have quarterbacking your team?

I'd be willing to bet the answers to those two questions don't match.

Jimmy doesn't have the ability to make the throws Cam did. Delhomme also was hardly ever accurate. Delhomme's long ball, even when he was good, still gave the defender just as much of a chance to catch the ball as the receiver. Cam's long ball gave the receiver more of a chance to make the catch than it turning into an interception because it was better placed. Also, the way Favre played in his career, he took many chances. I only saw a couple from Cam yesterday. If you're drawing the comparisons of Cam to risk takers with shaky accuracy (even if they were successful), I just don't see it after watching the game Sunday.

[Mr. Scot]

Jimmy doesn't have the ability to make the throws Cam did. Delhomme also was hardly ever accurate. Delhomme's long ball, even when he was good, still gave the defender just as much of a chance to catch the ball as the receiver. Cam's long ball gave the receiver more of a chance to make the catch than it turning into an interception because it was better placed. Also, the way Favre played in his career, he took many chances. I only saw a couple from Cam yesterday. If you're drawing the comparisons of Cam to risk takers with shaky accuracy (even if they were successful), I just don't see it after watching the game Sunday.

Keep in mind when looking at these comparisons that I always had a higher opinion of Delhomme than you did :lol:

[chef17]

It's a matter of opinion, really.

That's just the type of player I see him being. Not sure why some want to see that as a slight.

I guess if I said Steve Smith was more in the mold of Ricky Sanders than Jerry Rice or Michael Irvin, people would get pissed about that too :lol:

I agree it is opinion but I don't see it as a slight. The only reason I disagree was because when I think of Favre or Jake I think of one great pass, and an ugly duck the next. I don't remember seeing any of those from Cam. I agree he is like them in that he trust his arm and will sling the ball where ever. And after looking back I see that you said he is similar to them only in play style. I withdraw my disagreement

[Mr. Scot]

I agree it is opinion but I don't see it as a slight. The only reason I disagree was because when I think of Favre or Jake I think of one great pass, and an ugly duck the next. I don't remember seeing any of those from Cam.

His long passes are definitely cleaner than the short to mid-range ones.

Happily, he's in the right offense for someone of that skill set.

But again, as long as they go where they're supposed to...

[blackcatgrowl]

that's usually the opposite of the way it is.i think that may be close to what it will be like with him as a passer, but we've yet to see how they plan to use him as a runner. overall, i don't know what to expect, but i do expect it to be broader than what we saw yesterday. but, like you, i would be content with his style of play yesterday being the norm. knowing that there is still more elements to his game that have yet to be revealed and that there is a lot more room for growth that will be happening this season and when he has the benefit of an entire offseason...that just makes me ecstatic.yes, he was more accurate on deep balls and it was impressive. again, i wouldn't consider him a sniper in that regard, but he's not inaccurate. he is on target enough for his receivers to get the ball and some of his placements are amazing. it was in the short and especially mid range throws that there was legit criticism, but it seems like he is overcoming that.newsflash...some people change their opinion on things. actually, that happens to just about everyone and it's ok for that to happen. everybody is wrong some of the time. it's about as common as taking a crap. mr. scot, like many others, are changing their opinions about him based on what they saw that they may not have seen before.again, so someone can't change their opinion on a matter?

there were valid reasons for not wanting him, esp. if you expect QBs to fit a certain mold and that they should go through the same process as others who have been successful. it's not an opinion i share, but it's one i can respect and have respected.

cam isn't your ordinary QB. he's just a different breed of player. the path he took to get here was far from normal and his past did leave room for a lot of questions about him as a player and a person (which mr. scot never discussed to my recollection). there are legit concerns about the system he came from as well as the fact that he only started one year at auburn. there were also legit concerns about whether or not he should sit for a year or two. it isn't safe to put a rookie out there and it could very well result in disaster...esp. in a situation like newton found himself in. losing team with a new coaching staff, new system, really shortened offseason....it's a gamble.

many of us were of the opinion that it was worth the risk and there were plenty of us who didn't see it as being nearly as risky as others. it was just that, though...an opinion.

you're almost talking to mr. scot like he's GRG or TRD or some negative troll that could never find anything good to say about him and who did nothing but come in and criticize at every opportunity. that isn't the case at all. he had legit questions and concerns about him that he is finding out the answer to.

i respect anyone who is willing to change their opinion of someone or something and it won't keep me from valuing their opinion about other things later on.

I'm not going to go over every detail... but if you'd like me to pull up threads, we can...

Mr. Scot was all about Andrew Luck and how a new QB was needed.

As soon as he stayed in school, the tone switched to "we don't need a QB". Anyone who posted pro-Newton stuff was given a multitude of reasons Newton, Gabbert, etc. shouldn't be picked #1 overall.

He's not been on Newton's side for all this time, then comes on here and says "He's not pin-point accurate."

Well guess what... no QB in this league is pin point accurate every throw. None of them.

Newton's performance was unlike anything this team or any other has ever seen from a Rookie. Which is why he broke records...

And what do we see? "Newton is not pin point accurate"

:jc:

This thread belies his point of view.