Newton's Prototype

[KillerKat]

Keep n mind when looking at these comparisons that I always had a higher opinion of Delhomme than you did :lol:

I'll also keep in mind that you didn't want Cam

[panthers55]

The term gunslinger is a slight in football parlance. It refers to players who take chances most of the time ill-advised. Yeah they are high reward and high risk and often hurt a team as much or more than they help. In the history of the old west, gunslingers ended up dead because they took too many chances and overestimated their ability. Quarterbacks who are gunslingers like Favre are known as much for their mistakes like the pick in the championship game as for TDs thrown or great passes.

So no I don't see Newton as a gunslinger at all. in fact I might like him even more if he was. In fact he has been pretty conservative so far and really hasn't turned things loose. Most of the time if the guy isn't open and in single coverage he won't throw it. Just the opposite of a gunslinger really.

For the record I liked Jake alot so I don't have a negative perception like some, but it doesn't fit at this point no matter how many times you try it on.

[Mr. Scot]

I'll also keep in mind that you didn't want Cam

Something which apparently some folks on here will take personally for years to come :rolleyes:

I didn't want Clausen either, of course.

The term gunslinger is a slight in football parlance. It refers to players who take chances most of the time ill-advised. Yeah they are high reward and high risk and often hurt a team as much or more than they help. In the history of the old west, gunslingers ended up dead because they took too many chances and overestimated their ability. Quarterbacks who are gunslingers like Favre are known as much for their mistakes like the pick in the championship game as for TDs thrown or great passes.

So no I don't see Newton as a gunslinger at all. in fact I might like him even more if he was. In fact he has been pretty conservative so far and really hasn't turned things loose. Most of the time if the guy isn't open and in single coverage he won't throw it. Just the opposite of a gunslinger really.

For the record I liked Jake alot so I don't have a negative perception like some, but it doesn't fit at this point no matter how many times you try it on.

I don't see "gunslinger" as being negative at all.

(Rayzor has a pretty good handle on that in his posts)

[KillerKat]

Something which apparently some folks on here will take personally for years to come :rolleyes:

I didn't want Clausen either, of course.

If you think since I wasn't that fond of Delhomme, that makes my opinion any lesser than yours then I'll do the same back at you on your opinion of Cam. It is true though that Cam's long ball passes Sunday gave the receiver more of a chance to catch the ball than Delhomme's long passes. And that has nothing to do with what I feel about him.

[Mr. Scot]

I'm not going to go over every detail... but if you'd like me to pull up threads, we can...

Mr. Scot was all about Andrew Luck and how a new QB was needed.

As soon as he stayed in school, the tone switched to "we don't need a QB". Anyone who posted pro-Newton stuff was given a multitude of reasons Newton, Gabbert, etc. shouldn't be picked #1 overall.

He's not been on Newton's side for all this time, then comes on here and says "He's not pin-point accurate."

Well guess what... no QB in this league is pin point accurate every throw. None of them.

Newton's performance was unlike anything this team or any other has ever seen from a Rookie. Which is why he broke records...

And what do we see? "Newton is not pin point accurate"

:jc:

This thread belies his point of view.

"Don't need" and "don't want" aren't the same things.

I didn't want any of this year's QB crop because I saw them as a notch below the ones available next season, Luck included.

The Panthers saw it differently, so here's to hoping they were right and I was wrong.

Here's also to hoping some folks take the chips off their shoulders and the sand out of their vaginas. God forbid anyone have a different opinion :rolleyes:

[Mr. Scot]

If you think since I wasn't that fond of Delhomme, that makes my opinion any lesser than yours then I'll do the same back at you on your opinion of Cam. It is true though that Cam's long ball passes Sunday gave the receiver more of a chance to catch the ball than Delhomme's long passes. And that has nothing to do with what I feel about him.

Sheesh :rolleyes:

I pointed out that my opinion of Delhomme was higher than yours because you were taking my comparison to Delhomme as an insult to Newton. Maybe in your mind it is, but in mine it's not.

We won a lot of games with Jake Delhomme at quarterback, and he had neither the physical skills nor the upside that Newton has.

Again though, it's all about style of play, something that gets lost in the discussion while people search desperately for a reason to be offended :nonod:

[KillerKat]

The "style of play" still doesn't fit though. Cam was smart with the ball yesterday and his accuracy was awesome. Both of which doesn't fit the bill of a gun slinger who takes a lot of risks and has up and down accuracy. There has to be more games played to say his accuracy is up and down, but yesterday it was spot on.

[panthersfan#2]

I think Cam is quicker, faster, more elusive Ben Roethlisberger. Big Ben can run, but not like Cam. Cam has 4.5 40 speed like a lot of receivers have.

If Cam can consistently use good technique with his footwork and make good decisions he could be the best rookie QB the NFL has ever seen. I hope he fixes his tendency to overthrow receivers. The Panthers don't have Plaxico Burress ... or Larry Fitzgerald who can jump like an NBA superstar and catch it with one hand.

[Mr. Scot]

The "style of play" still doesn't fit though. Cam was smart with the ball yesterday and his accuracy was awesome. Both of which doesn't fit the bill of a gun slinger who takes a lot of risks and has up and down accuracy.

Then I'd say your definition of gunslinger and mine don't match.

"Gunslinger" to me equals confidence, not recklessness. Can it cross the line into recklessness? Sure (See Grossman, Rex; also post-surgery Delhomme, Jake) but it doesn't automatically go that route.

Some here apparently think it's a negative thing. I've never felt that way. As styles go, it isn't better or worse, just different.

Look back at Rayzor's prior posts for a pretty good explanation.

[blackcatgrowl]

"Don't need" and "don't want" aren't the same things.

Spin it like a record gangsta.

I didn't want any of this year's QB crop because I saw them as a notch below the ones available next season, Luck included.

The Panthers saw it differently, so here's to hoping they were right and I was wrong.

Here's also to hoping some folks take the chips off their shoulders and the sand out of their vaginas. God forbid anyone have a different opinion :rolleyes:

You started this thread. The sandy vagina and shifting opinion was in post #1 from my point of view.

[Mr. Scot]

You started this thread. The sandy vagina and shifting opinion was in post #1 from my point of view.

I'm sure it was :rolleyes:

Guess Rayzor must be a hater too, eh?

Don Quixote would be proud :nonod:

Guessing you missed this response to Teeray a few pages back...

It's not really arguable that without Newton we wouldn't have been in the game at the end. That's fact.

If you want to see one reason why I'm cautious, go back to 2003 and compare Delhomme's week one performance with the game he played in week two (ironically enough, against the then Super Bowl champs, same as Newton's will be this week).

We won both of those games. If it turns out we lose both of the first two this season, it won't bother me that much. Like I said, all I'm looking for out of this season is reasons to be optimistic about the future. As of yesterday, I've got 'em.

Truth: I'm as big an Andrew Luck fan as you'll find. That said, if Newton finishes this season looking even half as good as he showed he could look yesterday but we still wind up with the #1 pick, you will find me arguing vehemently against using that first pick on Luck or any other quarterback. Yeah, it's a long season and a lot can change between now and then, but that's the way I'm looking at our future right now.

Still think I'm knocking him?

[chef17]

Spin it like a record gangsta.

You started this thread. The sandy vagina and shifting opinion was in post #1 from my point of view.

Comparing Cam to Favre and Jake means you have a sandy vagina?

[Mr. Scot]

Comparing Cam to Favre and Jake means you have a sandy vagina?

Maybe it was the Elway comparison that made it sound bad :rolleyes:

Wait. Aren't you somebody's alt? Why am I talking to you? :sosp:

[chef17]

Maybe it was the Elway comparison that made it sound bad :rolleyes:

Wait. Aren't you somebody's alt? Why am I talking to you? :sosp:

I thought I was yours :eek: