Why do some of these experts think Cam can't develop accuracy....

[NCstoner420]

Here is the flaw in everyones logic about accuracy, you only look at numbers instead of actually watching the guy throw. 40%, 50%, 60% does not mean anything, it is all about the scheme. A guy can throw 10 yard screens all day and end up with 100% but that does not mean he is a more accurate passer than the guy who throws down field and is at 65%. Accuracy is about where you place the ball, not if the receiver catches it. None of your numbers include drops or awesome defensive play.

[NCstoner420]

Read Bree's scouting report going into the NFL draft, Weakness > accuracy.... @_@ do what???

I think you mean his weakness was his height. Go back and reread those scouting reports. They all talk about the touch that he puts on passes.

[carpanfan96]

I think you mean his weakness was his height. Go back and reread those scouting reports. They all talk about the touch that he puts on passes.

Yea, touch on short passes. lol His weaknesses were side arming throws (IE throwing technique) Accuracy and touch on longer throws...

What about Phillip Rivers??? Touch and Accuracy on long throws, athleticism, bad mechanics... ext...

My Favorite scouting report though is this gem from 1998 on Peyton Manning

Lacks top level arm strength, might not get any better as he's a self made player. Questionable natural ability as he's not as natural of a passer as Ryan Leaf.

[NCstoner420]

Yea, touch on short passes. lol His weaknesses were side arming throws (IE throwing technique) Accuracy and touch on longer throws...

What about Phillip Rivers??? Touch and Accuracy on long throws, athleticism, bad mechanics... ext...

My Favorite scouting report though is this gem from 1998 on Peyton Manning

Lacks top level arm strength, might not get any better as he's a self made player. Questionable natural ability as he's not as natural of a passer as Ryan Leaf.

What do you see Brees throw during games? Short and medium passes right? Yeah I thought so. So a scouting report is who a player is instead of the player becoming who he is?

[carpanfan96]

What do you see Brees throw during games? Short and medium passes right? Yeah I thought so. So a scouting report is who a player is instead of the player becoming who he is?

Lol, not all the time and he's actually considered one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL now. One of the more accurate ones at that.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/10/going-deep/

Ranked 5th at 42 % on 76 attempts. The 42 % was 5th in the NFL and the 76 attempts was 5th in the NFL.

[carpanfan96]

It is possible to become a more accurate QB, the most important part of becoming a consistent passer is technique. Cam's throwing technique is already damn good, he works on feet placement for his throws and he can become a more accurate QB.

[NCstoner420]

Lol, not all the time and he's actually considered one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL now. One of the more accurate ones at that.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/10/going-deep/

Ranked 5th at 42 % on 76 attempts. The 42 % was 5th in the NFL and the 76 attempts was 5th in the NFL.

So that leaves him with an average of 28 passes under 20 yards per game. 28 short passes to 4 long passes per game, which would you say he attempts more of?

[Gipetto]

Interesting read on this subject here...

http://thesportseconomist.com/2011/08/05/nfl-qb-bias/

As to the legitimacy of the running QB bias, the evidence is hard to assess because its self-perpetuating nature – a league with biases against runners takes away chances, short-circuits chances, and doesn’t make adjustments very well to incorporate them. The success over the past decades of great passing attacks (NE, Indy, Saints, …) follows from rules that encourage passing. However, there are exploitable tradeoffs between a QB gaining yards through the air and on the ground such as a decent passer and great runner versus a good passer and poor runner. The league usually opts for the latter because, “you can’t win with a running QB.” Of course, at one time, it was thought that you had two have two running backs in the backfield to win, run the ball most of the time to win, utilize your tight end only for blocking, keep the same 11 guys out on defense all the time, and so on. With so much specialization of defensive personnel and schemes these days based on down/distance, a double-threat QB provides a strategic edge that a uni-dimensional QB does not.

The details of the running QB bias are interesting. Players who run well, but only do so on an improvised basis — a young John Elway or Randall Cunningham — do not generate the negative reviews of QBs whose runs are designed or who quickly bail out to run. Elway’s inaccuracy in the first half or two-thirds of his career is often forgotten. It easily seen in his completion percentage, 47% in his first season and mostly under 55% through much of his career, but also in the number of times he threw swing passes at his RBs shoelaces (followed by a 45-yard, between-the-numbers bullet after a 5-second scramble). Cunningham’s numbers for the first half of his career were similar. And, while both gained considerable yards on the ground, the offenses were not tailored to their running very much.

[Snake]

Brees was just as good his last two years as he has been for the Saints.

Negative Ghost Rider, his % has gone up and stayed up with Payton. His % was spottie at best with SD.

[mav1234]

Negative Ghost Rider, his % has gone up and stayed up with Payton. His % was spottie at best with SD.

not that completion percentage tells you much about accuracy, but his upswing started in San Diego... his last two seasons there were higher than his first with NO, and one of the seasons in SD he had a higher completion % than his 5k yard season with NO. His first couple years as a starter he was right around 60% at SD, but he got over 65% or very close to it the next two...

no doubt Payton has helped Brees' game, but Brees was improving in San Diego before he got to NO.

[carpanfan96]

So that leaves him with an average of 28 passes under 20 yards per game. 28 short passes to 4 long passes per game, which would you say he attempts more of?

Wow.... His scouting report said he couldn't throw the ball deep when he got out of college. His current stats show otherwise. So using common sense, he's developed his accuracy as a deep ball thrower since becoming a pro.

Your above stats will go for any QB, they are going to throw more under 20 yard passes then above.

[Lords0fPain]

Cam will be fine in time, think he needs to get use to the NFL speed, probably about mid season you will see a dramatic improvement (he is a rookie and had a SHORT off-season). Unfortunately, the toughest part of our schedule is the 2nd half...

[mav1234]

I don't think Manning's deep ball was ever a serious concern coming out, but it's been so long I honestly don't recall if it was... I thought both he and Leaf were considered near sure fire hits.

[Mr. Scot]

Interesting read on this subject here...

http://thesportseconomist.com/2011/08/05/nfl-qb-bias/

John Elway, Brett Favre and Jake Delhomme were all "slingers" more than pure passers. Newton is too, with inconsistent ball placement similar to Delhomme but with arm strength and pass velocity closer to Favre/Elway.

What are all these guys known for? Dramatic fourth quarter comebacks. That's no accident. To be sure, late comebacks are exciting to watch. Unfortunately, all too often the reason you need a late comeback is because your gunslinger quarterback did something that put you in that spot :(

That's one reason why I won't be surprised if Newton brings back the "Cardiac Cats" persona.