Panthers Scouting Pat White hard

[Mr. Scot]

I cant name you a lousy passer period who's won a Super Bowl. Not all running quarterbacks are "lousy passers". Randall Cunningham is perhaps the greatest "running" quarterback of all time and put up a 34 TD season that set the single season scoring mark. He was a botched FG away from a Super Bowl. Steve Young is another great "running" quarterback. His 43 rushing TDs is a NFL record for QBs. He won a Super Bowl and is the HOF. If Pat White can develop a strong passing game this guy has as good a shot as anybody.

Steve Young has one of the highest passer ratings of all time.

Quarterbacks who can pass and run are gold.

Quarterbacks who can pass but can't run are silver.

Quarterbacks who can run but can't pass are pyrite.

[King Taharqa]

Steve Young has one of the highest passer ratings of all time.

And yet and still he was a tremendous athlete with 4.5 running speed in his prime. His scrambling ability helped him gain over 4200 yards rushing (more than any back in our franchises history) and those 43 rushing TDs.

[mantal]

Steve Young has one of the highest passer ratings of all time.

Quarterbacks who can pass and run are gold.

Quarterbacks who can pass but can't run are silver.

Quarterbacks who can run but can't pass are pyrite.

White can pass, he just seems to run to quickly. Maybe he'll be a hero, but it seems from the NFL clubs disappointed that he didn't run routes that most of them are not all that interested in giving him a try. I could see a team drafting him as a QB and then saying, "Well, we drafted you to be a receiver. If you're intent on being a QB, we'll give you a shot, but you may not make the cut"...

[Mr. Scot]

And yet and still he was a tremendous athlete with 4.5 running speed in his prime. His scrambling ability helped him gain over 4200 yards rushing (more than any back in our franchises history) and those 43 rushing TDs.

Scott Norwood just called. He said he can't believe you missed that point :nonod:

[BlindSite]

Pat White has come out and said he wants a shot at QB, I don't think it's a terrible idea to use a third (which is all he's worth) on him to let him develop for a year and then turn him into a WR/tweener/whatever if he doesn't work out, if he develops into a QB than great, if not, so be it.

[Sloth]

Just for the sake of argument

Every year in college his attempts, passing yards and percentage increased (his percentage dropped one point this last year).

2005 - 114/828 - 57.0%

2006 - 179/1655 - 65.9%

2007 - 216/1724 - 66.7%

2008 - 274/1844 - 65.7%

His overall (yearly) QB rating has ranged from 132.41 to 159.73

2005 - 132.41

2006 - 159.73

2007 - 151.39

2008 - 142.41

In pre-draft workouts, his arm has consistently looked better than Sanchez, who is pretty much a lock to be the 2nd or 3rd QB taken. He doesn't have the cannon Freeman or Stafford do. Also, he's already begun the process of bulking up a little to transition to the pro game.

He IS short and he WILL have some issues seeing down the field. His footwork and mobility will help compensate for that, however.

I guess my point is that he's been a leader and a winner at his original position and has improved every season he's played, so I don't blame him at all for sticking to his guns about playing QB. If he falls into the "athlete over position" trap he might play QB three or four snaps a game on trick plays. Sure, he hurts his draft stock a little, but someone will take him at QB and it'll be no later than very early in the third round.

I don't know that he'd be a good fit here, but I wouldn't mind the pick if it happened. This draft class sucks for our primary needs anyhow.

[mantal]

Just for the sake of argument

Every year in college his attempts, passing yards and percentage increased (his percentage dropped one point this last year).

2005 - 114/828 - 57.0%

2006 - 179/1655 - 65.9%

2007 - 216/1724 - 66.7%

2008 - 274/1844 - 65.7%

His overall (yearly) QB rating has ranged from 132.41 to 159.73

2005 - 132.41

2006 - 159.73

2007 - 151.39

2008 - 142.41

In pre-draft workouts, his arm has consistently looked better than Sanchez, who is pretty much a lock to be the 2nd or 3rd QB taken. He doesn't have the cannon Freeman or Stafford do. Also, he's already begun the process of bulking up a little to transition to the pro game.

He IS short and he WILL have some issues seeing down the field. His footwork and mobility will help compensate for that, however.

I guess my point is that he's been a leader and a winner at his original position and has improved every season he's played, so I don't blame him at all for sticking to his guns about playing QB. If he falls into the "athlete over position" trap he might play QB three or four snaps a game on trick plays. Sure, he hurts his draft stock a little, but someone will take him at QB and it'll be no later than very early in the third round.

I don't know that he'd be a good fit here, but I wouldn't mind the pick if it happened. This draft class sucks for our primary needs anyhow.

There is no argument that he was a great college QB, it's whether he will be a quality pro QB. That remains to be seen. He might be and I'll applaud him for it. I just have my doubts, just like I had with the golden boy, Brady Quinn, (and he may prove me wrong)...

[carpanfan96]

Bree's is short......He's a franchise QB. Any QB you take in the draft will be a chance, why not take one that has a shot at being special or can be converted to a WR if QB doesn't work out.

[magnus]

Bree's is short......He's a franchise QB. Any QB you take in the draft will be a chance, why not take one that has a shot at being special or can be converted to a WR if QB doesn't work out.

because we don't need a WR that badly and he has little interest in being one right now?

because he's not technically sound as a QB, because 4.55 speed isn't "special" at this level, because he's not that accurate, because unlike the few 6'0 guys who succeed at this level he's a runner first and passer second.

Because John Fox doesn't like running QBs, we don't run the shotgun that much, we don't spread formation that much, we don't call the QB's number on running plays, and so on.

So, we could change our entire team structure (I can hear it now - we should fire Fox so we can make room for Pat White) for a "maybe".

"scouting him hard" is the team's job right now. Remember the last guy we were rumored to be talking with heavily, and we picked? No? Me either. Hell, Jon Beason says most of our time spent with him was him at a computer taking a personality test. Most of our guys had never met him when he was picked.

So, I don't put a ton of stock into "32 teams were there watching a player workout for the draft and we had people watching with the 31 other teams."

[DaveThePanther2008]

I have never been on the Pat White bandwagon but I am considering it. If we had somewhat of a mobile Quarterback that can deliver a good ball our offense could be quite dangerous.

My biggest concern was he didn't have the arm strength to be a valid threat. Apparently he does. If we make a trade for Peppers and can obtain a DE/DT with our first pick (DT preferrably) I would not be very upset if we used our 2nd round pick on him. I would be afraid since we are so far down in the 3rd round he would be gone.

What a mobile QB would do with our current weapons. You saw what Michael Vick did to us with just a decent TE. Our running game would be the best in the NFL. All our receivers would see less double coverage. Just a little mobility to scrammble give our WR more opportunity to get open. Nice thought. We'll see.

Go Panthers

[Niner National]

Haven't kept up with him much at all through the combine or pre-draft workouts, but he looked pretty damn good throwing the ball in his last bowl game against the Tarheels. If he is really expected to drop to the third round, I would love to see us pick him up. Like Blindsite said, let him focus on QB for a few years and if he doesn't develop, try him at WR or something else. If he works out, great, if not, at least it was only a 3rd rounder.

[magnus]

You saw what Michael Vick did to us with just a decent TE.

And you saw what the QBs behind him did with the same WRs.

You could say that, besides his own yards running the ball (which could've easily been bigger yards passing), Vick opened up the running game - that backside DEs had to stay at home to watch bootlegs and so on - but I'd say their running game is better now, too.

[DaveThePanther2008]

And you saw what the QBs behind him did with the same WRs.

You could say that, besides his own yards running the ball (which could've easily been bigger yards passing), Vick opened up the running game - that backside DEs had to stay at home to watch bootlegs and so on - but I'd say their running game is better now, too.

EXACTLY. He killed us and he didn't have an Arm. Apparently White does. He might not be as explosive as Vick but if he is more accurate he would be MORE dangerous of a QB. Add him to Double Trouble would turn us into a Triple Delight.

Go Panthers

[magnus]

not really. Vick had a cannon. White might be able to make most of the throws, but doesn't have much velocity, doesn't have much accuracy, and doesn't have good fundamentals. He's throwing well without any rush, against air, right now, which is good. If he wants to be a QB, he should push to stay a QB.

He's a project. Him being one of three college QBs that casual fans know doesn't make him any better a player, nor does his name recognition. We can go back and see what Chris Leak's doing if that helps.