Panthers Scouting Pat White hard

[rayzor]

I think if he wants to be a QB he needs to spend 100% of his time preparing to be a QB, like most do. That means working on his reads, spending time watching film, going over things with his QB coaches. Just getting on the field may be a quicker fix, but hurt him in the long run. I think spending time running routes and working on being a WR takes time away from learning to be a QB. If I want a management job I'm not gonna waste my time working as a janitor for some company because they're not quite ready for me to manage. I'm gonna find a company that believes in me as a manager and trains me and prepares me accordingly.

i meant to add in to my comments that if he has his mind set on being a true QB exclusively, none of that matters.

i don't like the comparison of what i was saying to a manager/janitor.

manager is not always the most important or valuable role to an organization. in some cases it can be limiting to both the organization and the individual if the talent the individual has goes beyond what role he has his mind set on.

if he has his heart set on being a QB then he needs to focus in on that realizing that it may mean waiting a long time to get his shot and that he may be limiting himself. he will be much more valuable to an organization (especially sooner) if he can be used in a variety of ways. if teams thinking outside the box wants to see how else he can be used to make their teams better it isn't going to make him more attractive by limiting himself.

everyone knows how he can be as a QB but I think teams see more than that in him. he could be a QB that takes the wildcat QB to a whole new level.

please know that i am not saying the he shouldn't be a QB or that he cant be one. i sincerely believe that he can be one of the most dangerous and valuable players on a team going beyond what a traditional QB would be.

the way i would use him would have him taking on more responsibility as a QB as he learned more. carrying the clipboard might be good for him for a couple years but i think getting him out on the field and working with a vet QB will help him quite a bit as well. It would also help the team get used to seeing him in more of a leadership role over the course of time and help them become more comfortable with him at the helm.

[carpanfan96]

See my bold they where told he wouldnt run routes. It was botched thing that happened and he should have ran some routes.

Yes, I had that in Italic, I saw that. It makes no difference however though, because the scout's themselves left and had no interest in him running routes expect for maybe a team or two. Most teams were looking at him being a QB. I do agree though that your coach shouldn't do that behind your back regardless or not though.

[Mr. Scot]

The most recent guy who tried the "I'm only a quarterback" approach by refusing to consider even a temporary position switch didn't have things work out so well for him.

All indications are that the "no pass routes" thing was Bill Stewart, not Pat White. I think Stewart is well-intentioned here, but it was probably a mistake.

[King Taharqa]

Can you tell us the last college QB who started out as a NFL #3 WR who reverted back into a franchise QB?

[mantal]

Can you tell us the last college QB who started out as a NFL #3 WR who reverted back into a franchise QB?

Franchise QB :lol:

He can be a starting QB, but putting him on level with Manning, Brady and McNabb is a little premature, IMO...

[King Taharqa]

Well thats the goal. Im sure his peers Stafford and Sanchez view themselves as potential franchise QBs. If I'm Pat White no way in hell I'm running routes unless the scouts ask those guys to do extra point & FG drills.

[Squirrel]

Franchise QB :lol:

He can be a starting QB, but putting him on level with Manning, Brady and McNabb is a little premature, IMO...

If the club is having him as a starter then yes he is a franchise QB. Because everything will be built around him and what he can do.

But franchise has a couple of meanings.

[Mr. Scot]

Can you tell us the last college QB who started out as a NFL #3 WR who reverted back into a franchise QB?

Kordell Stewart.

Antwaan Randle El was realistically never going to play QB in the pros.

Seneca Wallace has started as a QB, but he's primarily a receiver these days.

Randy Fasani said he was willing to play tight end, but decided instead to play cops and robbers.

And to be clear, I think being another Seneca Wallace would be Pat White's best shot at playing for the Panthers. If he were drafted elsewhere it might be a different story.

Bottom line though: A college kid looking for a shot with a pro team should be extremely careful about refusing to run drills that scouts want him to run. When there are millions of dollars on the line, it's best not to piss off somebody who's willing to consider writing you that huge paycheck.

[Mr. Scot]

And let's be absolutely clear on one thing: The reason teams are wanting to see White do other position drills is because for most of his career he was a running quarterback, same as the above referenced Eric Crouch. It has zero to do with his being black.

[mantal]

If the club is having him as a starter then yes he is a franchise QB. Because everything will be built around him and what he can do.

But franchise has a couple of meanings.

Well, there certainly is. By your definition, Jake Delhomme is a franchise QB. By mine he is not. Could not find a better description than what was under my nose...

[King Taharqa]

And to be clear, I think being another Seneca Wallace would be Pat White's best shot at playing for the Panthers. If he were drafted elsewhere it might be a different story.

Bottom line though: A college kid looking for a shot with a pro team should be extremely careful about refusing to run drills that scouts want him to run. When there are millions of dollars on the line, it's best not to piss off somebody who's willing to consider writing you that huge paycheck.

Pat White's best shot at playing for the Panthers is being Pat White. Let that man succeed or fail as a QB as so many other QBs do. The guy was born to lead. He's a field general and an asset to any team. If his arm works just as well as his peers in the draft, I dont need him imitating Steve Smith. I need him out there THROWING to Steve Smith. Handing the ball off to my stud RBs.

If he works on his movement and footwork in the pocket he could be the type of guy who must be accounted for every play. The ability to make a defense shift coverage is very valuable to an offense that wants to run the football like we do. Our passing game is basically "get the ball to Smitty at all costs" as the numbers attest. If he can do that, he's my quarterback.

And for every running quarterback you name, I can name 5 STRICTLY pocket passers who flopped or were busts in this league. If Pat were to become another sorry QB, he would not be alone. Let that man sit for a year (a la Culpepper under Denny Green '99) and learn the offense as we would do a Matt Moore or a Brett Basanez. Then allow him to come in in year 2 and flourish.

[Mr. Scot]

Pat White's best shot at playing for the Panthers is being Pat White. Let that man succeed or fail as a QB as so many other QBs do. The guy was born to lead. He's a field general and an asset to any team. If his arm works just as well as his peers in the draft, I dont need him imitating Steve Smith. I need him out there THROWING to Steve Smith. Handing the ball off to my stud RBs.

If he works on his movement and footwork in the pocket he could be the type of guy who must be accounted for every play. The ability to make a defense shift coverage is very valuable to an offense that wants to run the football like we do. Our passing game is basically "get the ball to Smitty at all costs" as the numbers attest. If he can do that, he's my quarterback.

And for every running quarterback you name, I can name 5 STRICTLY pocket passers who flopped or were busts in this league. If Pat were to become another sorry QB, he would not be alone. Let that man sit for a year (a la Culpepper under Denny Green '99) and learn the offense as we would do a Matt Moore or a Brett Basanez. Then allow him to come in in year 2 and flourish.

Movement and footwork aren't White's primary problems. Height and durability are.

There are plenty of quarterbacks in general who have been busts, but pocket passers still outclass one-read-and run quarterbacks in the pros, and there's no indication that will change anytime soon, if ever.

Can you name me a quarterback that was a great runner but a lousy passer who's won a Super Bowl (or even had sustained post-season success)?

[King Taharqa]

Can you name me a quarterback that was a great runner but a lousy passer who's won a Super Bowl (or even had sustained post-season success)?

I cant name you a lousy passer period who's won a Super Bowl. Not all running quarterbacks are "lousy passers". Randall Cunningham is perhaps the greatest "running" quarterback of all time and put up a 34 TD season that set the single season scoring mark. He was a botched FG away from a Super Bowl. Steve Young is another great "running" quarterback. His 43 rushing TDs is a NFL record for QBs. He won a Super Bowl and is the HOF. If Pat White can develop a strong passing game this guy has as good a shot as anybody.

[scpanther22]

i think pat white made the right choice..it will cost him but it lets teams know were you stand..sometimes you have to take the warren moon aproach