David Garrard Anyone?

[communist]

This team isn't in win now mode, so there would be no need for Garrard.

Oh yeah, you dont need quality, never. :eek: Let's see what you got: 1.a rookie QB who should be a backup in his rookie season and learn behind an experienced QB. 2.a strong-armed, overrated disaster of a QB (ok, he played one good season at CLE, where Chudzinski was his OC as well) and 3.you have a QB who doesnt fit the scheme.

You should better start to win as soon as you can if you want to get good guys via FA.

[rayzor]

Oh yeah, you dont need quality, never. :eek: Let's see what you got: 1.a rookie QB who should be a backup in his rookie season and learn behind an experienced QB. 2.a strong-armed, overrated disaster of a QB (ok, he played one good season at CLE, where Chudzinski was his OC as well) and 3.you have a QB who doesnt fit the scheme.

You should better start to win as soon as you can if you want to get good guys via FA.

lemme guess.... you're pushing for option 4) a career average QB who got cut from his team because he threw the players under the bus consistently and that no one in jaxville is upset over supposedly getting a raw deal.

yeah, not seeing that as a good option.

and, no...newton shouldn't be a backup his first season. there is no benefit to that unless you have someone significantly better for the team, which garrard isn't.

[communist]

lemme guess.... you're pushing for option 4) a career average QB who got cut from his team because he threw the players under the bus consistently and that no one in jaxville is upset over supposedly getting a raw deal.

yeah, not seeing that as a good option.

and, no...newton shouldn't be a backup his first season. there is no benefit to that unless you have someone significantly better for the team, which garrard isn't.

I dont know Garrard's behavior etc. but I see what he did in Jacksonville. Imo, it's enough to take him and even let him start.

[rayzor]

I dont know Garrard's behavior etc. but I see what he did in Jacksonville. Imo, it's enough to take him and even let him start.

read...

Read what the players are saying about him. Mercedes Lewis made a point to say there is no drop off between him and LM, others said there was no confidence in Garrard so there was no confidence to lose, the offensive line was letting him get hit after being attacked by Garrard in the media, our coach and owner have bashed him, and recently he threw our best wr under the bus. Jones Drew took shots at him as well.

The line in the third preseason game let Garrard get hit in just about every play, but when Luke came in against the same opposition with the same offensive line he didn't get hit once. Go to the jaguars.com forum and read the thread about it. He lost not just the coaches, but the players. He was complacent and no longer showed up early or stayed late. He quit on the team so the team quit on him and eventually fired him. You know you had to piss off a lot of people to just get cut instead of traded when you could still start for a few teams.

now if you think tht this kind of guy has any place on a team trying to go in a positive rebuilding direction....meh.

it's a bad idea.

we'll be fine with newton starting. he'll be fine.

[Varking]

I dont know Garrard's behavior etc. but I see what he did in Jacksonville. Imo, it's enough to take him and even let him start.

I have been a Jaguars fan since we came into the league. I pull for Carolina now just because I live here. I can tell you for a fact that David Garrard is not a starter in this league anymore. The truth of the matter is that once the NFL started gameplanning for the guy to throw the ball he regressed. He had one good season. He has, IMO, the best running back in football all around on his team, the best combination of blocking and passing TE in football, teams tried to stop Jones-Drew, and he still couldn't produce. People dislike Romo because he flops at the beginning/end of a season. David Garrard did that, and worse.

2-2 to end last season. Not to mention his west coast problems. The one game he did not have Sims Walker in STL, he went something like 18 of 31 with 0 tds.

0-4 to end 09.

1-6 to end 08.

Even in 07 which statistically was his only nice year in the NFL, he flopped against the Steelers but everyone remembers the 30 yards scramble to end the game. In that game he threw 1 td and 2 picks. He went 9 of 21 for something like 140 yards. He is terrible down the stretch of the season.

Last year if we would have defeated the Colts at the end of the season we would have clinched a playoff spot. We didn't have Jones Drew. Garrard can be good, but he can never step up to great. Factor in that the line last year was worse than the Jaguars line and you have a recipe for disaster. Then factor in if WR drop the ball or the line misses a block, and David will throw them under the bus publicly, and you want Cam to learn from him? Not a chance.

It would be utterly stupid to bring him here.

[communist]

That Garrard isnt the best QB of the world, is a fact. But i didnt know that he is human crap.

However, I wouldnt start Newton from Day one. Shortened Off-Season, a 1yr-Starter from a non-pro-style offense. I dont know...

[Zithers]

FACT: the Jaguars' last two starting QBs went on to win Super Bowls with other teams (Brunell w/ Saints, Leftwich w/ Steelers)

Sign him immediately, Marty. Drop Clausen's sorry ass.

[PantherPhann89]

There's no way they sign him. Rivera seems intent on letting Cam Newton learn on the fly instead of riding the bench while a vet plays. I actually agree with him too, there's no better way to study than to be thrown into the game.

I agree with the pressure to play Cam but I don't think that this is Rivera's decision.

[rayzor]

FACT: the Jaguars' last two starting QBs went on to win Super Bowls with other teams (Brunell w/ Saints, Leftwich w/ Steelers)

Sign him immediately, Marty. Drop Clausen's sorry ass.

:confused: they were lucky enough to be backups on those teams. ring by default.

[rayzor]

I agree with the pressure to play Cam but I don't think that this is Rivera's decision.

why wouldn't it be? rivera likes him more than the other guys. none of the other guys are good enough to warrant newton sitting on the bench. the team responds to newton more than the other guys. the offense is being built around newton. it makes sense for him to be the starter right away.

[CarolinaKat]

More proof Jimmy Clausen sucks....

No go on ECU's finest too